Today's Mass Shooting

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President @realDonaldTrump with the incredible medical staff at Miami Valley Hospital in Dayton, Ohio today. Some extremely powerful moments throughout the entire visit, with so much enthusiasm and love, contrary to what the Trump Hating Dems would ever share or say.

https://twitter.com/Scavino45/status/1159180442077032449

(Link includes pictures of Trump Grinning and 'thumbs upping'
 
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Just left Dayton, Ohio, where I met with the Victims & families, Law Enforcement, Medical Staff & First Responders. It was a warm & wonderful visit. Tremendous enthusiasm & even Love. Then I saw failed Presidential Candidate (0%) Sherrod Brown & Mayor Whaley totally.....

....misrepresenting what took place inside of the hospital. Their news conference after I left for El Paso was a fraud. It bore no resemblance to what took place with those incredible people that I was so lucky to meet and spend time with. They were all amazing!o
 
William Parcher said:
Maybe it isn't really a skeptics forum after all.
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Maybe aspects of marginal relevance are not that interesting.

The shooter managed to kill a lot of people in a short time before being shot himself.

If he had been limited to bolt-action weapons, or even an "automatic" (i.e. semiautomatic) pistol, he wouldn't have been able to before being killed himself.
 
Arcade22 said:
No doubt he wanted to dress up all cool and edgy looking, like in the murder simulators the kids are playing these days
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Yes, demonising computer games appears to be a popular distraction from gun control measures. Nice NRA talking point.
 
luchog said:
Well, no actually, one can only claim that if one is profoundly ignorant of the times and the English language.

The 2nd Amendment specifically mentions "Arms", which at the time would have meant weapons which would have been carried by the average infantry or cavalry soldier. What today we would call the "Basic Infantry Weapon". At the time, that referred to basic firearms such as muskets, rifles, blunderbusses, and carbines, as well as bladed weapons such as swords and bayonets (and technically also pikes and lances, although their use was already more or less obsolete by that time). In modern parlance, that would be select-fire rifles, carbines, and submachine guns such as the AR-15, AK-47, and FN-P90 platforms (to name the three most popular worldwide).

Explosives, cannon, and other larger weapons would not have been classified as "Arms", they would have been classified as "Ordnance"; and indeed still are today for the most part. Crew-served weapons, artillery, bombs, grenades, and so on are Ordnance, and therefore their ownership is not protected by the 2nd Amendment.
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THough ownership of muzzleloading artillery is generally allowed under local law;i know I am half owner of a 12 Pound Napoleon in a Civil War reenactment group.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Yes, demonising computer games appears to be a popular distraction from gun control measures. Nice NRA talking point.
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What is interesting is that the Bioshock series of games are First Person Shooters that have, if anything, a Left wing political viewpoint...…Bioshock infinite in particular.
And, yeah, the use of the term Murder Simulator, if meant seriously, is just playing in Donnie's hands.
Violent Entertainment has been popular from the days of Cavemen telling stories around the campfire up until now, and I suspect always will be.
 
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Belz... said:
That was sarcasm, right?
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Yeah, but seriously. If you are going to go on a killing spree you might as well dress up for the occasion, and a mask or face covering can give one a menacing appearance.

At the very least it seems highly unlikely that he wore a mask of some kind for the purpose of disguising his identity, considering how unlikely it would be for him to escape without being confronted and killed or at least arrested by the police (or a good guy with a gun).

Where are the wannabe heroes with guns when you need them?
 
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Arcade22 said:
Yeah, but seriously. If you are going to go on a killing spree you might as well dress up for the occasion, and a mask or face covering can give one a menacing appearance.

At the very least it seems highly unlikely that he wore a mask of some kind for the purpose of disguising his identity, considering how unlikely it would be for him to escape without being confronted and killed or at least arrested by the police (or a good guy with a gun).

Where are the wannabe heroes with guns when you need them?
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Trying not to get gunned down by the cops, I expect.

They get to the scene, see a civilian with a gun.

Reckon they'll ask him if he's a good guy before they eliminate the threat?
 
I don't know how much I agree with this, I'll have to read it a few more times and think on it, but it's an interesting idea that I haven't seen proposed yet.

The proposal is simple: Anyone purchasing a gun should be required to enlist for military reserve service, spanning the entire period of their gun ownership.

Under this proposal, being granted a handgun license would simultaneously and automatically register you to serve as a reservist in the Armed Forces branch of your choice — it's that simple. And it should be that simple ... because it's what the framers intended.
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CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/07/opinions/second-amendment-solution-to-gun-violence-yang/index.html
 
quadraginta said:
Trying not to get gunned down by the cops, I expect.

They get to the scene, see a civilian with a gun.

Reckon they'll ask him if he's a good guy before they eliminate the threat?
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Years ago, some time in the 90s, I think, I was listening to talk radio and a listener called in to complain about the police overreacting to people carrying guns.
Host: "If you were a police officer, stopped someone for a traffic violation, and saw a handgun sitting on the seat next to them, how would you react?"
Caller: "I'd ask him if he had a permit for it."

I got a good laugh from that. The host thought he was full of it too.
 
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