Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

[Armitage72]

That's a recipe for disaster. Gods, I hate to godwin discussions, but it reminds me of stuff in murderous regimes, where underlings all do their own things to try to impress the leader. Said leader says stuff that they think is a signal to do X, and they act accordingly.

"Will no one rid me of these turbulent immigrants?"

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Had NPR on in the car. The host asked an ICE rep if he could confirm all children left in limbo from the Mississippi raids were reunited with their parents. The ICE rep responded "let me first say, as a father of six, it breaks my heart any time a child is negatively impacted by their parents' illegal behavior."

It was way too early for me to be so mad.

 

[Ziggurat]

Hey, remember back when I was "crazy" for predicting all the stuff that is currently happening would happen?




Pepperidge Farms remembers.

You also predicted a ton of stuff that isn't happening. Hell, you even got stuff that already happened spectacularly wrong. Why would a few correct hits be memorable amid all the misses?

 

[theprestige]

I feel like maybe this thread should be sent to a training camp to work on regaining some of its... focus.

 

[Belz...]

You also predicted a ton of stuff that isn't happening. Hell, you even got stuff that already happened spectacularly wrong. Why would a few correct hits be memorable amid all the misses?

Well, it worked for Sylvia Browne.

 

[WilliamSeger]

People breaking the law fear consequences of breaking the law?

Speeders and jaywalkers break the law, but we don't throw them in jail and leave their children to fend for themselves.

 

[dann]

Watch the children of immigrants in this short Youtube clip from MSNBC (4:10-8:50):

 

[dann]

And one more, this one from CNN:

 

[applecorped]

You also predicted a ton of stuff that isn't happening. Hell, you even got stuff that already happened spectacularly wrong. Why would a few correct hits be memorable amid all the misses?

this

 

[mgidm86]

Had NPR on in the car. The host asked an ICE rep if he could confirm all children left in limbo from the Mississippi raids were reunited with their parents. The ICE rep responded "let me first say, as a father of six, it breaks my heart any time a child is negatively impacted by their parents' illegal behavior."

It was way too early for me to be so mad.

Do you think the parents are blameless or was he simply wrong for saying it out loud? What would you expect a cop to say? It's all about the law for LEO.

What was the rest of his response to the question?

Aren't the parents responsible for being in this situation? Do people think they all ran from certain death in their own countries? Are we to believe they are all refugees? That is naive. They knew they could be apprehended and came illegally anyways. How do we know some aren't criminals back home, and which ones?

That's just one problem with how we are handling the border - we don't know anything about many of them.

The parents do share in this responsibility. In fact, who else should we blame?

Everyone is being negatively impacted - illegals and citizens - by our unwillingness to be consistent with our own border and laws. That makes me mad. They are becoming more emboldened - throwing rocks and attacking border patrol. Somehow these people seem to have the impression that they can get away with it, that they are entitled to be here.

I wonder what gave them that attitude?

It is that attitude that is responsible for the huge waves of people coming, and it is this incredible number of people that are causing the problems at the detention centers.

They are coming because they know they can get in and that our border is a mess. Change that and solve the problems.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Do you think the parents are blameless blah blah blah...

Like the separation policy, this operation appears to have been designed to inflict suffering on the children. Whatever punishment you want to inflict on the parents, there is no excusable reason for this child abuse.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Do you think the parents are blameless or was he simply wrong for saying it out loud? What would you expect a cop to say? It's all about the law for LEO.

I don't know if any specific one of them were blameless any more than you know if any single one of them was guilty.

What was the rest of his response to the question?

No idea, his ego defense mechanism was so infuriating I changed the station.

Aren't the parents responsible for being in this situation? Do people think they all ran from certain death in their own countries? Are we to believe they are all refugees? That is naive. They knew they could be apprehended and came illegally anyways. How do we know some aren't criminals back home, and which ones?

I love how you start off asking questions, then presume that I've answered them all in the affirmative so you can berate me for it.

That's just one problem with how we are handling the border - we don't know anything about many of them.

The parents do share in this responsibility. In fact, who else should we blame?

This didn't happen "on a border."

Everyone is being negatively impacted - illegals and citizens - by our unwillingness to be consistent with our own border and laws. That makes me mad. They are becoming more emboldened - throwing rocks and attacking border patrol. Somehow these people seem to have the impression that they can get away with it, that they are entitled to be here.

Right, we the good citizens are the real victims here. Some kids threw rocks, so obviously every brown person sucks.

Oh, you used the "entitlement" thing, right. Entitled. Unlike us citizens.

Excuse me while I choke.

Also, again, this wasn't a border issue.

I wonder what gave them that attitude?

I wonder what gives you the right accuse others of having ill character, then turn around and demand an explanation for why.

It is that attitude that is responsible for the huge waves of people coming, and it is this incredible number of people that are causing the problems at the detention centers.

Right, tens of thousands of people suddenly all caught a case of highly contagious entitlement. Are you serious with this ******

Also, again, this issue had nothing to do with border detention centers.

They are coming because they know they can get in and that our border is a mess. Change that and solve the problems.

You sure do know a lot about people you've never met.

Just in case you weren't aware by this point: this operation was not about border enforcement.
ETA: if you don't like broken up quoting, next time don't JAQ off with a parade of gish gallop.

 

[Baylor]

And one more, this one from CNN:

This is a forum for discussion, not to show your browser history.

 

[Baylor]

As I understand it, a kid is also 'unaccompanied' if they show up with a non-parental relative, such as aunt/uncle, grand parents, older siblings, etc.

child trafficker, smuggler, someone who paid $80 for a child, etc.

 

[Baylor]

there is no excusable reason for this child abuse.

I agree. Trekking a child through the Sonora desert is child abuse and if I did the same thing I'd be arrested for child endangerment and separated from my child. I don't expect my government to give special privilege to foreign people.

 

[applecorped]

I agree. Trekking a child through the Sonora desert is child abuse and if I did the same thing I'd be arrested for child endangerment and separated from my child. I don't expect my government to give special privilege to foreign people.

 

[wareyin]

<respectful snip>

Well said, but some people let facts wash over them like water off a duck's back. With similar residual effects.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Well said, but some people let facts wash over them like water off a duck's back. With similar residual effects.

Too true.

I'll also let slip: I kinda started to not like the ICE guy when he mentioned having 6 children. Because at that point I'm already going "do we even live on the same ******* planet?!"

 

[Giz]

I don't know if any specific one of them were blameless any more than you know if any single one of them was guilty.



No idea, his ego defense mechanism was so infuriating I changed the station.



I love how you start off asking questions, then presume that I've answered them all in the affirmative so you can berate me for it.



This didn't happen "on a border."


Right, we the good citizens are the real victims here. Some kids threw rocks, so obviously every brown person sucks.

Oh, you used the "entitlement" thing, right. Entitled. Unlike us citizens.

Excuse me while I choke.

Also, again, this wasn't a border issue.


I wonder what gives you the right accuse others of having ill character, then turn around and demand an explanation for why.



Right, tens of thousands of people suddenly all caught a case of highly contagious entitlement. Are you serious with this ******

Also, again, this issue had nothing to do with border detention centers.


You sure do know a lot about people you've never met.

Just in case you weren't aware by this point: this operation was not about border enforcement.
ETA: if you don't like broken up quoting, next time don't JAQ off with a parade of gish gallop.

You are being unreasonable

 

[I Am The Scum]

child trafficker, smuggler, someone who paid $80 for a child, etc.

Oh wow, then we must be prosecuting like, a ton of trafficking cases against the perpetrators, right? And then we're reuniting the kids with their parents or nearest relative, right?