The terrorist attack against an ICE detention center is another example of stochastic terrorism perpetrated by the Mainstream Media. People are falling for the "concentration camps/kids locked in cages" lies. It's no wonder lonely and delusional people with grandiose visions of "fighting nazis" are acting on these fantasies.
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Stochastic Terrorism and Edgelord Humour
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d4m10n
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A link to a news site (which you consider fair and accurate) would be helpful here.
The Great Zaganza
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we have.
But how is it terrorism? Is the goal to instill fear and terror?
No. It is to sabotage a hated policy.
Just because someone leaning to the left is doing it or because federal property is targeted doesn't make it terrorism.
luchog
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And they're already trying to play it off as a joke; in good stochastic terrorism fashion, plausible deniability is being invoked. From the second link:
Emphasis added.
Particularly as he targeted vehicles and detention buildings, not people or critical infrastructure.
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the cop was reacting to an article about AOC labeled as satire - so the joke was literally on him.
Claiming to be joking whilst not getting the joke is not very credible.
The fact that he was unable to recognize the satire is very problematic for a police officers, even without the subsequent condoning of shooting a politician.
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And yet, it isn't Liberals who go to weekly rallies and chant racist slurs....
He also targeted a propane storage tank, which obviously could have killed a lot of people.
luchog
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No one accused the guy of being a mad genius. Mad, certainly, but he was clearly a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
Also, "attempting" to ignite a propane tank can mean a lot of different things. From other articles I've seen, he was mostly just making a show of trying to cause property damage, and never even fired the rifle he took with him. As far as I can recall, no stories mention him actually causing any damage to anything at the facility, just "attempting" it. That article mentions having flares on his person, which reminds me of the scene in Tommy Boy where Chris Farley mocks robbing a bank with road flares made to resemble explosives. Several friends/neighbors have said that they thought he was probably trying to commit suicide. Because I haven't seen any news report saying real damage was caused, for all I know, that attempt might have been anything from setting off a road flare near a tank, to mocking trying to light it on fire somehow, to actually setting off real explosives near a tank. It's incredibly ambiguous and open to the interpretation of whoever is making that statement publicly.
This guy was 69 years old, the people close to him thought he was trying to die, and he doesn't seem to have even come close to causing any real damage, according to reports I've seen. Obviously, I don't think it's great he was committing a violent act (nor do I approve of it in any way), and he was clearly nuts, but it really seems like this was more suicide by cop than anything else, judging by the news articles I've read.
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One thing it means is that the person didn't prioritize preventing death/injury for innocents.
The guy who plotted to assassinate Trump's enemies hadn't taken action when he was apprehended. I don't think we should be so blase about giving a pass to people just because they're on the side of "the good guys".
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I'm not being blase about anything, I clearly said that I don't approve of the guy's violent actions and think he was a nutter. But also think it's important to point out that this really doesn't seem to have been some kind of Oklahoma City-ish coordinated terrorist attack like right-wing media sources (and some people on this forum) have been portraying it. I see a difference between that kind of thing and an old man committing suicide by cop, regardless of the politics behind it. Maybe you don't, and that's a perfectly valid opinion to take, too. I just don't like how often I've seen the story be misrepresented because some people are glad that someone on the left finally did something violent, too.
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luchog
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Welp, yet another one. The Gilroy shooter this week was another young man radicalized through the fascist white supremacist pipeline.
Instagram account connected to Gilroy shooter pushed staple of white supremacist internet forums
Instagram account connected to Gilroy shooter pushed staple of white supremacist internet forums
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But how is this terrorism?
Well, it was a violent act perpetrated by someone with radical political beliefs who, before shooting up a crowd of people, made posts on social media identifying the groups of people he didn't like (and his apparent dissatifaction with how he saw them changing the area) and praising/recommending a book used by white nationalists as a manifesto. That fits the FBI's definition of domestic terrorism pretty much exactly, and is also a perfect example of stochastic terrorism. Why do you think it doesn't count as terrorism?
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Because the guy was white so it is mental illness.
luchog
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Looks like the FBI is starting to recognize and target the big links in the stochastic terrorism radicalization pipeline.
Exclusive: FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat
The article doesn't use that exact terminology, but their quote from the FBI bulletin's description of the problem is essentially the same:
Exclusive: FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat
The article doesn't use that exact terminology, but their quote from the FBI bulletin's description of the problem is essentially the same:
luchog
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And the latest big shooting also fits right into the pattern.
El Paso Shooting Suspect May Have Authored Manifesto Containing White Nationalist Talking Points
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El Paso Shooting Suspect May Have Authored Manifesto Containing White Nationalist Talking Points
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The fact so many of the "lonewolf" white nationalist terrorist have a "manifesto" speaks to the political motivations of their attacks. No doubt this is white supremacy in its death throes... Unfortunately white supremacy mixed with assault weapons and a empowered ideology = mass murder.