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Tolls said:
Oh, he's definitely playing to his supporters, however he doesn't actually have a clue what to do that won't end up in disaster. He is going to do a May, and cling onto being PM for as long as possible.

As with TM, it will have sod all to do with anything else other than keeping Johnson in the top job.

Of course, he has pretty much no latitude available, as compared to May. He got the job on the basis (by and large) of his "we must leave on the 31st October come what may" bluster, which has boxed him in even more tightly than May ever was with her "red lines".

So he achieved his first task, become PM, but in doing so has scuppered (IMO) his second task, stay as PM.
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Boris strikes me like Cersai in GOT: Very good at scheming to get power, but clueless as to what to do once she gets it.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I don't know. Boris seems much more self aware than Trump, he plays the fool because it works for him while Trump isn't playing. So Boris is giving his supporters what they want, but I don't know if he actually believes it could possibly work.
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They should so a world tour as a comedy duo. A kind of nightmare Laurel and Hardy.
 
Dave Rogers said:
The problem is that "work," in this context, means "keep Boris in no. 10," not "deliver a non-catastrophic economic result for the UK."



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Work in this context means creating the libertarian Paradise. No taxes for the rich. Free ports with no minimum wage. No NHS. More privatisation. Stacking the courts. He will be quite busy.
 
Belz... said:
That's not the way it works.

What if we elect someone from party X in my district and party Y is in power? Does that mean they have no legitimacy here? Scotland is part of the UK.
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At the moment. If, say, the SNP win a landslide of Westminster seats they would have a mandate for terminating the union. There is a precedent.
 
No-deal Brexit plans to get £2.1bn boost

The government has announced an extra £2.1bn worth of funding to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

The plans include more border force officers and upgrades to transport infrastructure at ports.

There will also be more money to ease traffic congestion in Kent and tackle queues created by delays at the border.

Other measures include money for stockpiling medicines to ensure continued supplies, as well as a national programme to help businesses.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324
 
a_unique_person said:
Work in this context means ... (s)tacking the courts. He will be quite busy.
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Unlike the US, he has no control over the make up of the courts.

Captain_Swoop said:
No-deal Brexit plans to get £2.1bn boost
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2.1 billion will be pissed away in a matter of days.
It's not going to cover the disruption in Kent, let alone the rest of that list of things that are going to go pear shaped.
 
Dominic Raab is claiming that he made it clear during the referendum campaign that a no-deal Brexit was a distinct possibility.

Guess what ?

He's lying :mad:

A search of the Twitter accounts of Mr Raab, Mr Gove and the official Vote Leave campaign reveals no mention in the six months leading up to the Brexit vote of any of the following terms:

"No deal"
"Without a deal"
"World Trade Organization" or "WTO"
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165836
 
a_unique_person said:
I thought if there was a hard border between Ireland and NI then that is going to have to be owned by the UK on the NI side. That will be what happens with a no deal brexit.
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There has been talk of technology creating some sort of magical hard border, that looks like no border, but is a border.

What really should happen for there to be a hard border is customs posts/border checks on both sides.
 
3point14 said:
Like a state in the US or Australia?
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The Scottish Parliament has control of education, policing and various other policies and some tax raising powers. It deals with issues local to Scotland.
 
Nessie said:
There has been talk of technology creating some sort of magical hard border, that looks like no border, but is a border.

What really should happen for there to be a hard border is customs posts/border checks on both sides.
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And that's what happens in a hard brexit? Since there will be no deal on anything, then there will be a border between the EU and the UK at the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. The EU countries presumably have borders between themselves and everyone else that is non EU?
 
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