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Tolls said:
Oh, he's definitely playing to his supporters, however he doesn't actually have a clue what to do that won't end up in disaster. He is going to do a May, and cling onto being PM for as long as possible.
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As long as it advances him how can it be called a disaster from his point of view?
 
Well, yes.
Sadly it buggers the rest of us up.

It's quite fascinating to watch, though.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I don't know. Boris seems much more self aware than Trump, he plays the fool because it works for him while Trump isn't playing. So Boris is giving his supporters what they want, but I don't know if he actually believes it could possibly work.
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I think you might be giving Boris too much credit. He might well be as big an idiot as he appears to be.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I think you might be giving Boris too much credit. He might well be as big an idiot as he appears to be.
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People I know who have met him are convinced that Boris is just a character he plays and he's very intelligent.

Which isn't to say that he's not shortsighted, impulsive, selfish and a load of other negative characteristics - just not stupid.
 
The Don said:
People I know who have met him are convinced that Boris is just a character he plays and he's very intelligent.

Which isn't to say that he's not shortsighted, impulsive, selfish and a load of other negative characteristics - just not stupid.
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Yea in the last week tonight this weekend was on him and he has interviews talking about playing up the buffoon. Now is he short sighted, lazy, racist and all the rest, well sure but that doesn't mean that he does not have a carefully crafted and designed public persona. It also means it is basically impossible to know what he is thinking.
 
Tolls said:
Oh, he's definitely playing to his supporters, however he doesn't actually have a clue what to do that won't end up in disaster. He is going to do a May, and cling onto being PM for as long as possible.

As with TM, it will have sod all to do with anything else other than keeping Johnson in the top job.

Of course, he has pretty much no latitude available, as compared to May. He got the job on the basis (by and large) of his "we must leave on the 31st October come what may" bluster, which has boxed him in even more tightly than May ever was with her "red lines".

So he achieved his first task, become PM, but in doing so has scuppered (IMO) his second task, stay as PM.
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Brexit is the Fyre Festival playing out on a national stage.
If TM is the author of this piece:
https://www.thecut.com/2017/04/fyre-festival-exumas-bahamas-disaster.html
I was excited, at least at first. Flying in, the water looked beautiful — but I was almost immediately warned not to go near it because of a rampant shark problem. That was an omen I regrettably missed.
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Then BJ is the “be legends” guy from marketing.
The best idea, they said, would be to roll everyone’s tickets over to 2018 and start planning for the next year immediately. They had a meeting with the Fyre execs to deliver the news. A guy from the marketing team said, “Let’s just do it and be legends, man.”
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The Don said:
People I know who have met him are convinced that Boris is just a character he plays and he's very intelligent.

Which isn't to say that he's not shortsighted, impulsive, selfish and a load of other negative characteristics - just not stupid.
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People often mistake a posh accent nd the bravado imbued by an expensive education for intelligence.
 
Yep. True intelligence should be measured by the person's performance, not some obscure measure like IQ or Cambridge degrees.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
People often mistake a posh accent nd the bravado imbued by an expensive education for intelligence.
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True, but in this case their interaction was on a professional basis and reportedly Alexander Johnson working privately for his own benefit is a completely different creature than the Boris character he plays in public.

These guys have quite enough exposure to posh accents and bravado, they were educated with the Hooray Henries, to distinguish pretty reliably between this and a sharp mind at work.
 
Seems every day there is a story about a UK employer downsizing in anticipation of brexit. Ryanair today's news story. I can't work out why we don't get stories about companies expanding and recruiting in anticipation of Brexit. It is almost as if........no....... surely not......I am sure there will be good news tomorrow.
 
Lothian said:
Seems every day there is a story about a UK employer downsizing in anticipation of brexit. Ryanair today's news story. I can't work out why we don't get stories about companies expanding and recruiting in anticipation of Brexit. It is almost as if........no....... surely not......I am sure there will be good news tomorrow.
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I am sure Rees-Mogg said he thought it would be good news, in about 10 years time.

I think that means in 10 years the UK will have recovered to how it is today.
 
jimbob said:
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I tried to resist clicking that, but failed.

"My future is on the line at every election" ... no, matey, it isn't. You have a fortune to fall back on and a home (homes?) fully paid-up. People facing job loss and even going utterly broke have their futures on the line.

What a total ******** that man is.
 
The Don said:
Boris will today assure the Welsh farmers that, thanks to the great trade deals he'll be getting (including the one with the US that, according to Donald Trump will triple or quadruple trade) that everything will be just fine.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49151870

Well that's 1% of GDP sorted then :rolleyes:
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ANd is there that big a market in the US for products grown in Wales?

We have plenty of wool home grown in he US. I know...the US Agency I work for leases lots of land to sheep ranchers....
 
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