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ceptimus said:
I'm not in favour of re-running referendums because people failed to educate themselves properly prior to voting.
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That’s right. People should have done their research and figured out that everything the leave side was saying was lies, and that “project fear” was actually a fully accurate assessment of where things were heading? If only they had done their research to figure this out back when the referendum was held they would not be in this predicament. It’s late now it sucks to be you if you were swindled by the leave campaign, but now that we got you there is no going back no matter how badly screwed you are.
 
BBC lunch time news, Welsh sheep farmers threatening civil unrest. Really, I thought, the BBC have gone too far. But then it was revealed that the £300 million EU subsidy is going to end with no replacement arranged and there will be a 40% tariff under WTO rules.

Goodbye Welsh sheep farming. There is a limited market for rural B&Bs offering quad bike rides and a chance to pet a sheep.
 
dudalb said:
You seem to be just about the only person here who sees a VONC as anything more then a useless gesture that has zero chance of succeeding.
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I agree there needs to be a reason to hold a vote of non-confidence, but BJ heading down the no-deal Brexit route and/or not even talking to the EU would probably be sufficient justification. I don't really expect it anymore than I expect a binding vote that would actually stop a no-deal Brexit, but it could be justified.
 
The Don said:
Boris will today assure the Welsh farmers that, thanks to the great trade deals he'll be getting (including the one with the US that, according to Donald Trump will triple or quadruple trade) that everything will be just fine.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49151870

Well that's 1% of GDP sorted then :rolleyes:
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Don’t worry! Once the EU market is gone we’ll open our borders to subsidized US grain and dairy products! That will fix the Welsh farmers!
 
Welsh farmers have been reassured that, post Brexit, global markets will open up to them, for example:

Ahead of the visit Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns suggested new global markets, including in Japan, will be available to sheep meat producers.
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Once again, a Brexiteer claim is shown to be utter tosh:

Plaid Cymru Westminster leader Liz Saville Roberts pointed out via Twitter the Japanese market had been opened up to Welsh lamb by the EU-Japan trade deal.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49151870

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In any case, if there is a sudden growth in demand for lamb in Japan it would likely be met by New Zealand who are closer and whose lamb is less expensive even before shipping costs are factored in. There may be a niche market for Welsh lamb but it's unlikely to make up any EU shortfall. :(
 
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The Don said:
Welsh farmers have been reassured that, post Brexit, global markets will open up to them, for example:



Once again, a Brexiteer claim is shown to be utter tosh:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49151870

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In any case, if there is a sudden growth in demand for lamb in Japan it would likely be met by New Zealand who are closer and whose lamb is less expensive even before shipping costs are factored in. There may be a niche market for Welsh lamb but it's unlikely to make up any EU shortfall. :(
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I saw as figure somewhere, that the lamb export to Japan was valued at around £52 million over 5 years, compared to the current annual export value to the EU of more than £400 million...

Edit: Close, it's currently £389 million, per https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49164496
 
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TheSupermeerkat said:
Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-well-block-uk-trade-deal-us-politicians-warn

Hmmmm.
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But President Trump has promised the UK a trade deal which will increase trade four or five fold. Don't tell me that he made that promise without checking to see whether it was possible :rolleyes:

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It seems that Boris Johnson is adopting the same kind of negotiating tactics as President Trump:

Johnson has refused to meet EU leaders until the backstop is scrapped.
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With similar levels of success :rolleyes:

On Tuesday, Ireland’s taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, told Johnson the backstop could not be removed from the UK withdrawal agreement.
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He thinks he's playing hard ball, but he's just playing for time, and hoping all this will influence voters come the autumn election.
 
More bad news from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) the motor industry trade body. Not only has production dropped 20% in the last year (a significant proportion of which is due to manufacturers moving their annual shutdown forward so it may recover) but more importantly only £90m has been invested this year compared to well over £4bn in 2014.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49170387

For UK manufacturers it's a perfect storm. There's global overcapacity, major concerns over Brexit and lower consumer demand (itself due in part to Brexit-related uncertainty).

Sunny uplands and no downside only considerable upside, my well upholstered rear :mad:
 
Tolls said:
He thinks he's playing hard ball, but he's just playing for time, and hoping all this will influence voters come the autumn election.
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I don't know. Boris seems much more self aware than Trump, he plays the fool because it works for him while Trump isn't playing. So Boris is giving his supporters what they want, but I don't know if he actually believes it could possibly work.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I don't know. Boris seems much more self aware than Trump, he plays the fool because it works for him while Trump isn't playing. So Boris is giving his supporters what they want, but I don't know if he actually believes it could possibly work.
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The problem is that "work," in this context, means "keep Boris in no. 10," not "deliver a non-catastrophic economic result for the UK."

Dave
 
It would be huge fun if he and his girlfriend have a flaming row and the neighbours complain to the police :)
 
p0lka said:
Seems Boris is trying to call their bluff, or at the least trying to see if there is a bluff to be called, who knows.
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Some British politicians have been pushing this narrative that if they act tough enough the EU would give in to their demands. They said that about all of things, like how they were going to make them negotiate a trade agreement at the same time as the withdrawal agreement. Or how they were going secure immigration controls while also maintain access to the single market.

What some British people don't realize is that this is just empty rhetoric masking their complete powerlessness to pressure the EU into acting against what it views as it's own self-interest. All of this ******** was solely for British voters, it was all just domestic politics. 80% of the time the British were negotiating among themselves, not with the EU.

You don't "bluff" about these things.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
I don't know. Boris seems much more self aware than Trump, he plays the fool because it works for him while Trump isn't playing. So Boris is giving his supporters what they want, but I don't know if he actually believes it could possibly work.
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Oh, he's definitely playing to his supporters, however he doesn't actually have a clue what to do that won't end up in disaster. He is going to do a May, and cling onto being PM for as long as possible.

As with TM, it will have sod all to do with anything else other than keeping Johnson in the top job.

Of course, he has pretty much no latitude available, as compared to May. He got the job on the basis (by and large) of his "we must leave on the 31st October come what may" bluster, which has boxed him in even more tightly than May ever was with her "red lines".

So he achieved his first task, become PM, but in doing so has scuppered (IMO) his second task, stay as PM.
 
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