"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

Norman Alexander said:
Poop. Try again.

Steve Miller tries to gaslight Fox, but even they are having none of it.

ETA. Got it this time.

ETA2: Described in the article, tellingly, as "the administration’s chief architect of brutally harsh anti-immigration policies".
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Its very easy to see that Herr Goebbels Steven Miller is simply trying to move the goalposts. He's trying to redefine racism so that he can claim what Trump did was not racist because it won't meet his revised definition.

What he (and Trump) fail to understand is that the "go back home" meme does not just apply to people with dark skin colouring. If you tell an immigrant Caucasian from Norway to "go back home", that is just as racist!
 
Red Baron Farms said:
Well for Pete's sake please take him back? He has stayed on this side of the fence too damn long.:mad:
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Looks like your side love him too much to get rid of him. And the feeling seems to be mutual. Maybe you are on the wrong side when your leader and a vast amount of his followers are singing from the same hymn sheet.

But you won't get rid of him because the most that you can bring yourself to say about his racist comments is to hmmm and haw and question whether it is really racist after all. I other words, bog-standard apologetics and half-hearted attempts from you to pretend he isn't the face of the Republican Party.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That's the best I've seen Chris Wallace in a longtime. He's up against a pro propagandist.
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Miller is only a "pro propagandist" in comparison with Donny. He has been practicing being a provocative ****-head since his school days. Race seems to be a mania for him; he even has had dealings with the KKK.

You can see his "debate" and "interview" method is the same - it's pretty basic: Shout down the opposition with irrelevant rants and bare-faced completely out-of-context insults and lies. Failing that working, act personally insulted (oh, I'm a poor li'l Jew-boy and you insulted my Holocaust ancestors!)*.

You can see Trump doing much the same. Wonder who has been coaching that overcooked vegetable...

But so many people fall for this all the time. They mistake coherent sentences for sense. In the era of Trump, coherent sentences are actually an improvement. Not much though.

I would ask you to cast you mind back to when Obama would speak (either of them). It was not so long ago. Coherent, clear, precise, intelligent... Everything that Miller and Trump are not.



*Miller appears to have no Holocaust ancestors. From Wikipedia: His mother's ancestors Wolf Lieb Glotzer and his wife, Bessie, immigrated to the United States from the Russian Empire's Antopol, in what is present-day Belarus, arriving in New York on January 7, 1903, on the German ship S.S. Motke and thus escaping the 1903–06 anti-Jewish pogroms in Belarus and other parts of the Russian Empire. When his great-grandmother arrived in the US in 1906, she spoke only Yiddish, the historical language of the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe. But most of the family learned English and they opened businesses in Pennsylvania that became successful.
 
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angrysoba said:
Looks like your side love him too much to get rid of him. And the feeling seems to be mutual. Maybe you are on the wrong side when your leader and a vast amount of his followers are singing from the same hymn sheet.

But you won't get rid of him because the most that you can bring yourself to say about his racist comments is to hmmm and haw and question whether it is really racist after all. I other words, bog-standard apologetics and half-hearted attempts from you to pretend he isn't the face of the Republican Party.
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Not really interested in joining with a bunch of libtard athiest communists and socialists :rolleyes:, but thanks for the invite.

All I can do is fight against racism from this side and hope that one day conservatism will have its renaissance. Right now the Party has been hijacked by special interest groups and neoliberals, which in my mind is just almost as bad as the damn commies on the left. The only damn difference is one is for governmental elitism, and the other is for monetary elitism.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
Not really interested in joining with a bunch of libtard athiest communists and socialists :rolleyes:, but thanks for the invite.
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If you're happier with the racists, the theocrats, the conspiracy theorists and the assorted nuts and bigots on your side, then that's your choice.

Red Baron Farms said:
All I can do is fight against racism from this side...
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...and you're doing that how?

Red Baron Farms said:
and hope that one day conservatism will have its renaissance.
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And what would that look like?

Red Baron Farms said:
Right now the Party has been hijacked by special interest groups and neoliberals, which in my mind is just almost as bad as the damn commies on the left. The only damn difference is one is for governmental elitism, and the other is for monetary elitism.
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The 1950s called. They want their McCarthyism and Bircherism back.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Miller is only a "pro propagandist" in comparison with Donny. He has been practicing being a provocative ****-head since his school days. Race seems to be a mania for him; he even has had dealings with the KKK.
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Indeed...

"Miller began in high school or earlier being a conservative provocateur; he harangued fellow students with diatribes on how “everyone and their parents needed to speak English or leave the country.”

In college he tried starting an all-white-male alliance; and strived to change the political conversation in this country. He was an early pioneer in the politics of conservative victimization by the left, asserting that Duke University was trying to silence him."

https://www.galesburg.com/opinion/20190421/letter-likening-stephen-miller-to-goebbels

The guy is a bona-fide White Nationalist (I'd say he borders on being a White Supremacist) and has been for years.
 
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Red Baron Farms said:
Not really interested in joining with a bunch of libtard athiest communists and socialists :rolleyes:, but thanks for the invite.

All I can do is fight against racism from this side and hope that one day conservatism will have its renaissance. Right now the Party has been hijacked by special interest groups and neoliberals, which in my mind is just almost as bad as the damn commies on the left. The only damn difference is one is for governmental elitism, and the other is for monetary elitism.
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Athier than the Republicans, sure, but I sincerely doubt we're the athiest.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Someone needs to tell Trump, who claims to have disavowed White Nationalism.
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Perhaps we can get Miller's own uncle to speak

https://www.facebook.com/TribuneDemocrat/posts/1271660039530911

Mr. Trump is trying to sell you something too. He sells fear of immigrants, contempt of our daughters, sisters, and wives, and sows discord and anger. He knows the dictator’s disgraceful sales tricks of challenging the integrity of democratic elections, he finds an unpopular outside group to blame our troubles on, cooks up false electoral fraud theories if he doesn’t get his way, threatens and bullies his opponents, and tells us that he is the only one that can lead the nation ahead. He’s trying to sell you something, and it’s not a good product. For the first time in my memory a major American political party’s Presidential candidate has proposed that laws and regulations be established solely on the basis of a person’s religion and ethnic background. The legitimization of this as a basis of serious political discussion is a terrible step into darkness. Remember, what goes around comes around. If today it’s “them”, then tomorrow it may be you.

Finally, my nephew and I must both reflect long and hard on one awful truth. If in the early 20th century the USA had built a wall against poor desperate ignorant immigrants of a different religion, like the Glossers, all of us would have gone up the crematoria chimneys with the other six million kinsmen whom we can never know.

- David Glosser
 
Red Baron Farms said:
My point exactly Just like pretty much all NYC liberal elitists as far as I am concerned.
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It must get lonely out there on Wrong Turnpike. Or are you so blinded by your geo-bias that you can't recognize legitimate liberals and progressives like...(Not even sorted by party because party identification meant something else generations ago.)

Samuel Gompers? Fiorello LaGuardia? Al Smith? Jake Javits? Dinkins? Lindsay? Rockefeller? Shirley Chisholm? Charlie Rangel? Major Owens? AOC? (I just picked a name or two from each era.)

You saying that all those were self-serving elitists who would sell their soul and/or vote for whatever consideration? On behalf of the leaders of the US Civil Rights movement, centered in NYC, and the struggle to unionize workers (largely outward-moving from the garment center in NYC) may I say that this is ignorant poppycock, sir!
 
Foolmewunz said:
It must get lonely out there on Wrong Turnpike. Or are you so blinded by your geo-bias that you can't recognize legitimate liberals and progressives like...(Not even sorted by party because party identification meant something else generations ago.)

Samuel Gompers? Fiorello LaGuardia? Al Smith? Jake Javits? Dinkins? Lindsay? Rockefeller? Shirley Chisholm? Charlie Rangel? Major Owens? AOC? (I just picked a name or two from each era.)

You saying that all those were self-serving elitists who would sell their soul and/or vote for whatever consideration? On behalf of the leaders of the US Civil Rights movement, centered in NYC, and the struggle to unionize workers (largely outward-moving from the garment center in NYC) may I say that this is ignorant poppycock, sir!
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No mostly my disdain for NYC would be the whole false dichotomy of Wall Street vs Labor Unions, whereas by far the more productive business model at providing the most members of society a good living is main street USA, self employed small business and entrepreneurs. It's a power struggle between two sides I prefer to avoid. Both sides incredibly corrupted.

So yeah I don't particularly fit well with Dems at all, and I don't get along with Wall Street Republicans either. And that is BTW why the NYC reference. In actuality I am well aware that there are plenty of people in NYC outside that particular false dichotomy, who are decent hard working people. I use the NYC label as a symbol. I figured you would get that by watching the Pace commercial I linked. Since it spoofs that attitude.

The Great Zaganza said:
Republicans have no interest in Conservatism except as a catchphrase to dupe voters.
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I can see some validity there, but with one small caveat. The current Republican leadership and main think tanks have shown this lack of interest by and large. Large swaths of the rank and file still live their lives as conservatives. But yeah, the Party leadership certainly has been hijacked by Neolibs.
 
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