Steve
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Nah. He'll just continue being wrong in any thread you try to direct him to.
New Zealanders are refusing to turn over guns under new law
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Nah. He'll just continue being wrong in any thread you try to direct him to.
fromdownunder
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Hang on for a minute. The OP of that thread was an American and Americans are never wrong about anything. Elton John truly copied REO Speedwagon, because an American said so and nobody else should let facts get in the way.
And REO Speedwagon was American, and Elton John was only English, so there!!
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Will there be new restrictions on reloading components such as primers, brass, powder and bullets?
What if a person has something like a Thompson Center Encore or Contender/G2? Would the various barrels from .17 caliber to .73 caliber have to be registered as well?
What if a person has something like a Thompson Center Encore or Contender/G2? Would the various barrels from .17 caliber to .73 caliber have to be registered as well?
Steve
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The NZ government has made it quite clear what weapons and accessories are included. What is the purpose of all these “what abouts”?
Is there something other than this link I should be reading? http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2019/0125/latest/whole.html#LMS181209
It is clear that the Governor is going to call the shots, but what is going to be restricted in the future other than certain firearms and magazine is not clear.
So what can NZ residents look forward to?
It is clear that the Governor is going to call the shots, but what is going to be restricted in the future other than certain firearms and magazine is not clear.
So what can NZ residents look forward to?
Sideroxylon
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smartcooky
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Yet to be determined. As I made clear when I replied to you in post #184, the banning of certain firearms is only the first step.
I linked this earlier, in post #99
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f06llxb72xinwax/prohibited-firearms-and-parts-buy-back-price-list.pdf?dl=1
As far as I can see, those items are not on the list
I linked this earlier, in post #125
https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/changes-firearms-law-prohibited-firearms
On that webpage, expand the headings by clicking the "+" signs next to these headings
New firearms laws are now in effect +
Information on prohibited firearms+
Prohibited firearms parts and magazines+
Information on prohibited firearms+
Prohibited firearms parts and magazines+
As they should. Our goverment is not corrupt and not subject to bribes from lobby groups.
Yet to be determined. As I made clear, the banning of certain firearms is only the first step towards making the people safer
To sow discord?
To make people repeatedly post answers and links they already posted?
What Sideroxylon just said?
Who knows?
All the released information is easily available. Some things haven't been decided yet, and we'll just have to be patient.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
Can I just say that, as an Australian, New Zealand is a small island. With a small population.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
New Zealand has lousy roads
Sideroxylon
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For the NRA and their true believers this gun control policy is like the SE Asian domino affect and must be stopped lest people at home get funny ideas. Other nations implementing sensible gun laws is just plain embarrassing.
Steve
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Thanks. You saved me the trouble of posting a response. And you have said all this better than I would have.
Maybe there is concern among certain Americans that future US governments might see how sensible the gun restrictions of other countries actually are
I wasn't clear enough in post #203. It was stated in a previous post that a person would not be able to purchase ammo for a firearm they do not own. This would allegedly render an illegally possessed firearm like an AR-15 useless.
That is why I asked about reloading components and multi-caliber firearms.
Would the owner of a multi-caliber firearm capable of chambering anything from 17 HMR to 12 gauge be allowed to buy any ammo they want?
That is why I asked about reloading components and multi-caliber firearms.
Would the owner of a multi-caliber firearm capable of chambering anything from 17 HMR to 12 gauge be allowed to buy any ammo they want?
Steve
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That does clarify. I cannot answer this. For the record, I retract my previous comments related to you
smartcooky
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You've never been to North Queensland have you, or more specifically, north of the Daintree?
smartcooky
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I have no direct answer to this, except to say that these changes to the laws are a process, and the lawmakers in this country are not unreasonable. To paraphrase Tom Hanks in the movie Apollo 13, there are a large number of things that need to be done in order. We are on thing one, and you're asking about thing seventy three. As I said earlier, they haven't yet got to the Firearms Register Laws. They are dealing with the buyback of the types of firearms that are designed for the sole purpose of killing people in large numbers.
One of the proposals I have seen is something similar to car VIN numbers. A FIN (firearm identification number) would be "a unique to that firearm" serial number which would be etched somewhere near the muzzle end of the barrel. Each barrel would have its own unique FIN so it might be possible to register your interchange barrels that way.
Perhaps an owner may be able to make a special case, to have the same firearm capable of multiple calibres registered multiple times under the different calibres; perhaps that register will allow a "Barrel & Chamber only" entry. I'm sure that this sort of thing will come up when the Select Committee meets to determine what the remaining laws will look like, and there will be firearms experts and representatives who will have the chance to make submissions to that committee.
NOTE: I could fall into this category myself. I own a Savage M12 LRP 243 Win, which as you probably know means its chambered to take Winchester .243 cartridges. That barrel can be changed for other ammunition (.204 Ruger, 6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Remington etc)
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Just as a side note because I have seen you say this twice...
New Zealand is a Constitutional Monarchy, which is to say that the Monarch of New Zealand (currently Queen Elizabeth II because we are a Commonwealth country and as such bestow the Crown of New Zealand to the same head of the Commonwealth as all other Commonwealth countries) is a titular head of state, and that the NZ Government is the actual ruling body.
The Governor General is the Queen's Representative inside of New Zealand, and so this role is really a Ceremonial position representing for a Titular Head of State. They have very few powers, but one duty is to sign into law all bills that pass within Parliament. This duty, just as seating the new parliament, and approving a new Prime Minister, is a formality and the GG has no real say in what they get to do.
They can technically dissolve Parliament should there be a need to in a Constitutional crisis, however I believe that one and only time it was ever done in modern times was in Australia in 1975, which resulted in the removal of both the PM and the GG.
So in reality, the GG will not be calling any shots, the Government will (pretty much Cabinet really) and the GG will simply sign whatever they send him to sign to formally make it law.
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Sadly I can't answer this question at the current point in time because due to the new law changes the Police have yet to update and republish their list of approved weapons which would have told you if such guns were in fact even available in NZ.
Thanks for the clarification.
It sounds like California, maybe. CA allegedly tests firearms on their list. I heard something as simple as changing the coating on a gun or changing the length of the barrel is grounds for re-testing.
Does NZ list approved firearms by action type or some other criteria? Do they test them like California does?
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Ever swap barrels? I have a few times. All it takes is a action wrench, barrel vise and head space gauges.
ETA; The reason I brought up TC Encores and Contenders is that it takes about 90 seconds to swap barrels. Here is a list from one seller; https://matchgrademachine.com/chambers-list/
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smartcooky
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I understand it ain't easy, but I have no desire to do so. 243 Win is perfect for what I use the Savage for - target shooting. It might be a varmint rifle, but I've never used it for that.