New Zealanders are refusing to turn over guns under new law

PhantomWolf said:
This is literally untrue. Certain Semi-Automatics that could be easily converted from Class A to Class E have been banned. The list was given above, it's about 6-7 rifles and 4-5 pistols. The most commonly use semi-automatic in the county is not on the banned list.
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OK, thanks for the correction. The most dangerous and least useful semiautomatic weapons have been banned. Even less to worry about.
 
theprestige said:
Either the citizens of North Korea have rights which their government does not recognize, or they do not.

Which one is your claim?

It's a simple question. Try not to complicate it.
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The universal declaration of human rights which is what is usually referred to when one talks "internationally" about human right abuses is merely something lots of us agree with. It does not document anything beyond human beliefs in what would be nice.
 
Ranb said:
So, would you compliment Trump on the progress he made by going against public opinion when he ordered the confiscation of bump stocks without compensation? :)
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Yes.

Something, no matter how small, is better than nothing at all.

Ranb said:
Not a problem since I live in the USA and not NZ.

I was responding to this part;

Information Analyst said:
These restrictions aren't intended to address criminal use of firearms in general, and don't pretend to. Use of firearms in crime is rare in New Zealand.
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If the new law is not intended to address criminal use of guns in general, then why bother?
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1. Because the vast majority of spree shooters had no criminal record at the time they went on the shooting spree (as TheAtheist pointed out earlier)...

Las Vegas - 58 dead. Shooter with no criminal record.
Christchurch - 51 dead. Shooter with no criminal record.
Orlando - 49 dead. Shooter with no criminal record.
Port Arthur - 35 dead. Shooter with no criminal record.

And I would add

Virginia Tech - 32 dead. Shooter with no criminal record.
Sandy Hook Elementary School - 27 dead. Shooter with no criminal record.
Marjory Stoneman-Douglas High School - 17 dead - Shooter with no criminal record.

2. Because the laws just passed are just the first of a number of changes to the NZ Gun laws. The next stage will see three more steps being taken...

a. The registration of all firearms. The Police then will know who owns what type of firearms and where they are located. It is expected to operate like motor vehicle registration; every sale of a firearm will require both the seller and the new owner to carry out a formal change of ownership.

b. An increase the security and vetting around firearms licensing. It is going to become more difficult to pass vetting to obtain a firearms licence, and the licence card itself is expected to change from and ordinary driver's licence/ID card type to an RFID encoded card like a credit/debit card.

c. To purchase ammunition will require the buyer to present the RFID Card in combination with another form of Photo ID such as a driver's license, an 18+ card or a passport. The buyer will not be allowed to buy ammunition for types of firearms that they do not own...e.g. I own a shotgun, a .243 cal and a .270 cal rifle, so I would not be allowed to buy .22, .223, .303 or .308 ammunition. This reduces my chances of buying ammunition for an unregistered firearm, or a firearm that belongs to someone else.​
 
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But there was white Jesus standing behind James Madison, guiding his hand as he wrote out the Second Amendment, enshrining lead spraying freedoms for the people of the world.
 
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applecorped said:
You can now 3D-print a DIY pistol in New Zealand for just a few hundred dollars.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new...nd-just-few-hundred-dollars-should-we-worried



When you're done though just make sure you hand in to the government
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And if caught with it without a pistol enforcement on your licence, you face up to 3 years in jail, and up to a $4,000 fine. And that is just for possessing it. You can add on up to another 5 years for making the pistol without a manufacturing licence. If you have fired it tack on up to 3 more months and up to $3,000 more on the fine.
 
Ranb said:
I was responding to this part;

These restrictions aren't intended to address criminal use of firearms in general....
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If the new law is not intended to address criminal use of guns in general, then why bother?
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I think you're being deliberately obtuse. The restrictions are to address the risk of a specific type of firearms crime, hence not the "criminal use of firearms in general..."

It's not rocket science.
 
PhantomWolf said:
And if caught with it without a pistol enforcement on your licence, you face up to 3 years in jail, and up to a $4,000 fine. And that is just for possessing it. You can add on up to another 5 years for making the pistol without a manufacturing licence. If you have fired it tack on up to 3 more months and up to $3,000 more on the fine.
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And you need some way of getting hold of the ammunition. And they're quite dangerous to the shooter.

It's hardly an AR-15
 
jimbob said:
And you need some way of getting hold of the ammunition. And they're quite dangerous to the shooter.

It's hardly an AR-15
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I don't know what sort of ammo they have, or if it's prohibited, but if it is, then that's up to another 2 years, also if the gun was used in regards to another crime, then there are a whole raft of charges that can be added for that, and more if someone got hurt from the use of the gun.

The real answer to it is that it's not a good idea to print one because if you ever use it you'll be in jail for a long time.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I don't know what sort of ammo they have, or if it's prohibited, but if it is, then that's up to another 2 years, also if the gun was used in regards to another crime, then there are a whole raft of charges that can be added for that, and more if someone got hurt from the use of the gun.

The real answer to it is that it's not a good idea to print one because if you ever use it you'll be in jail for a long time.
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... and you're likely to be missing the hand you were holding it with when you fired it!
 
PhantomWolf said:
I don't know what sort of ammo they have, or if it's prohibited, but if it is, then that's up to another 2 years, also if the gun was used in regards to another crime, then there are a whole raft of charges that can be added for that, and more if someone got hurt from the use of the gun.

The real answer to it is that it's not a good idea to print one because if you ever use it you'll be in jail for a long time.
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It is restricted according to the link Applecord himself posted.

smartcooky said:
... and you're likely to be missing the hand you were holding it with when you fired it!
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And this, especially.

It's probably slightly more safe for the shooter than a firearm from the time of Crecy...
 
smartcooky said:
1. Because the vast majority of spree shooters had no criminal record at the time they went on the shooting spree (as TheAtheist pointed out earlier)...
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Well, this would be general criminal use. I'm not actually disagreeing with the rest of your post.

Information Analyst said:
I think you're being deliberately obtuse. The restrictions are to address the risk of a specific type of firearms crime, hence not the "criminal use of firearms in general..."
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I was labeling that as "criminal use of firearms in general".
 
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applecorped said:
You can now 3D-print a DIY pistol in New Zealand for just a few hundred dollars.
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Oh genius.

Yes, you can print the gun, but getting ammunition will prove impossible. There is no black market for ammunition, and gun shops won't sell it to you with the specific licence required.

Any other idiotic points you'd like to try?
 
The Atheist said:
Oh genius.

Yes, you can print the gun, but getting ammunition will prove impossible. There is no black market for ammunition, and gun shops won't sell it to you with the specific licence required.

Any other idiotic points you'd like to try?
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The OP was wrong but he will not give up. Some people have no sense of embarrassment.
 
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