Merged The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

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Emre_1974tr said:
The Qur'an says that people will believe always make up partners.

12:106 Most of them will not acknowledge God without setting up partners.

16:3 He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth. Be He exalted above the partners they set up.

40:73 Then it will be said to them: "Where are those that you have set up as partners"
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Who cares what the Qur'an says? Show of hands!


Why do you think we care what it says in the Hadith or the Qur'an or the Bible or the Veda...etc etc etc?

They have ess meaning to the a critical thinker than a comic book.
 
acbytesla said:
Who cares what the Qur'an says? Show of hands!


Why do you think we care what it says in the Hadith or the Qur'an or the Bible or the Veda...etc etc etc?

They have ess meaning to the a critical thinker than a comic book.
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As a bonus, Comic Books inspire much better thought experiments.

 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Qur'an says that people will believe always make up partners.

12:106 Most of them will not acknowledge God without setting up partners.

16:3 He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth. Be He exalted above the partners they set up.

40:73 Then it will be said to them: "Where are those that you have set up as partners"
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That's nice.

I will counter with some of the Rules of Acquisition, a much more fitting holy text for the modern world.

10 Greed is eternal.
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This one was clearly observed by Mohammad:

6 Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity
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A LOT of them were clearly observed by Muhammad:

34 War is good for business.
45 Expand or die.
62 The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
94 Females and finances don't mix.
111 Treat people in your debt like family… exploit them.
211 Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.
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Then there are some of the, well, we'll call them the ROA Apocrypha, as they're not part of the official listing, but they were clearly favored by Muhammad.

Why ask, when you can take?
Exploitation begins at home.
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These of course apply to the Koran (And the Bible, and other holy texts)
A good lie is easier to believe than the truth
If that's what's written, then that's what's written.
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The more I think about it, the more I realize MOST religious leaders of all faiths adhere far better to the Rules of Acquisition than any of the texts they claim are part of their holy writ.
 
"To Fast

Contradiction; Fasting is for three weeks (Daniel 10:2-3) Vs Fasting is for forty days (Deuteronomy 9:9-18, Matthew 4:1-2)

There is no consistent standard or time frame taught in the Bible. It is obvious that many of the Prophets in the Bible fasted, hence we must “be like them” but no clear guidance is within the Bible as to how long to fast.

Excuse; None available.

Correction: Unlike the Bible, the Holy Quran specifies the period for fasting as being one month:

“Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Quran, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” (Quran 2:185)

Thus, the Holy Quran clarifies the standard date, time, reason, and method of fasting, unlike the Bible."

http://islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"To Fast

Contradiction; Fasting is for three weeks (Daniel 10:2-3) Vs Fasting is for forty days (Deuteronomy 9:9-18, Matthew 4:1-2)

There is no consistent standard or time frame taught in the Bible. It is obvious that many of the Prophets in the Bible fasted, hence we must “be like them” but no clear guidance is within the Bible as to how long to fast.

Excuse; None available.

Correction: Unlike the Bible, the Holy Quran specifies the period for fasting as being one month:

“Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Quran, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” (Quran 2:185)

Thus, the Holy Quran clarifies the standard date, time, reason, and method of fasting, unlike the Bible."

http://islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/
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Sounds to me like the Koran is advocating laziness in fasting. The fasts are capped at a month. You get to eat after sunset. That's not really "fasting." That's just pretending to fast in order to make people irritable so they can pretend it's some sort of religious sacrifice.

In the Bible Jesus went 40 days and 40 knights without food. THAT'S fasting.
 
Fasting? Kid stuff! Anybody can fast!

But can you slow? Stop moving for 40 days 'n nights?

Sez in my Koran, Sure-uh Abbagayah 5*2€~888, "For him that freezes on place tickleth Ullah's funny bone. The wahhhabite hurts no longer as he standeth still! He need not pronounce "hhh," nor " ' " nor all such sore-throat noises. Now drag somebody somewhere. Selah."

My Kuran is the FUN Qqran!
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Excuse; None available.
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Because it's not a problem in either Judaism or Christianity, neither of which considers it a point of doctrine to fast for a single, fixed length of time. It's left up to the individual and his personal inspiration. Your "must be like them" constraint is something you made up, not something the practitioners of these religions adopt.

Correction: Unlike the Bible, the Holy Quran specifies the period for fasting as being one month:
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Specificity does not equate to divinity. Yes, you've shown how two religions are different. But your attempt to show that one is better than the other derives from you making up rules for other religions to follow and then trying to take them to task for not following them. Either you don't understand what other religions believe, or you simply don't care. And it doesn't matter, because you aren't listening to anyone but yourself.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"To Fast

Contradiction; Fasting is for three weeks (Daniel 10:2-3) Vs Fasting is for forty days (Deuteronomy 9:9-18, Matthew 4:1-2)

There is no consistent standard or time frame taught in the Bible. It is obvious that many of the Prophets in the Bible fasted, hence we must “be like them” but no clear guidance is within the Bible as to how long to fast.

Excuse; None available.

Correction: Unlike the Bible, the Holy Quran specifies the period for fasting as being one month:

“Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Quran, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” (Quran 2:185)

Thus, the Holy Quran clarifies the standard date, time, reason, and method of fasting, unlike the Bible."

http://islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/
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The Koran's fasting is vastly inferior. Daniel fasted for 3 weeks without food or water. Moses and Jesus did forty days. The Koran only has 30 days.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"To Fast

Contradiction; Fasting is for three weeks (Daniel 10:2-3) Vs Fasting is for forty days (Deuteronomy 9:9-18, Matthew 4:1-2)

There is no consistent standard or time frame taught in the Bible. It is obvious that many of the Prophets in the Bible fasted, hence we must “be like them” but no clear guidance is within the Bible as to how long to fast.

Excuse; None available.

Correction: Unlike the Bible, the Holy Quran specifies the period for fasting as being one month:

“Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Quran, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” (Quran 2:185)

Thus, the Holy Quran clarifies the standard date, time, reason, and method of fasting, unlike the Bible."

http://islamicbook.com/free/200-ways-the-quran-corrects-the-bible/
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And yet, your all-knowing god forgot to include rules for people living outside of the middle east.
If you follow the rules given and happen to live above the polar circle you will either starve or not fast at all.
Almost as if it was written by someone who had no idea about length of day variation at different latitudes.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"To Fast

Contradiction; Fasting is for three weeks (Daniel 10:2-3) Vs Fasting is for forty days (Deuteronomy 9:9-18, Matthew 4:1-2)
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Two different religions with different rules: who would have thought that? ;)

Fasting may be beneficial to your health, but that does not seem to be the reason behind the fasting, and the strict rules of Islam in particular seem to be detrimental to the health: not to drink or eat during the day, but it is allowed to gorge on food during the night! Dehydration is a real danger here.

It is so much easier not to believe in these silly gods and their rules, and just follow good health advice.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"Moses

Name means "newborn" in ancient Egyptian.

The Bible claims that "Moses" is a Hebrew name, however those who named him weren't Hebrew. Pharaoh and his family were Egyptians. Today Egyptologists discovered the Egyptian meaning of the word "Moses"."

http://www.miracles-of-quran.com/moses_name.htm
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Why do you insist on trying to pontificate on languages you don't know? And why are you unable to provide any discussion on your own, and must rely simply on parroting pro-Islam sites that have no more expertise in the matter than you? Do you really think you're fooling anyone?
 
Emre_1974tr said:
"Moses

Name means "newborn" in ancient Egyptian.

The Bible claims that "Moses" is a Hebrew name, however those who named him weren't Hebrew. Pharaoh and his family were Egyptians. Today Egyptologists discovered the Egyptian meaning of the word "Moses"."

http://www.miracles-of-quran.com/moses_name.htm
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Every part of that crap is comprehensively wrong. Just like your magic book.
 
abaddon said:
Every part of that crap is comprehensively wrong. Just like your magic book.
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Well, not every part. Just the part that applies to this thread.

Jewish scholars have always found it problematic to suppose that Moses' name had a Hebrew etymology as the Torah suggests. There have been a lot of gymnastics proposed to account for it. Christians largely don't care. The Egyptian etymology is the strongest and most consistent option, assuming you actually believe there existed such a person as Moses. (There's no reason historically to suppose there did.)

The more hilarious problem with Emre's Muslim cheerleading site is that their attempt to bring it into an Arabic etymology -- and thus claim that the Qur'an is divinely inspired -- is even more tenuous and gymnastical than the Hebrew. Their conclusion is that the Qur'an must be from God because an illiterate Mohammed could not possibly have known the "correct" name of Moses. But their line of reasoning for how it's "correct" is comically bad. the name does not mean "newborn" in Egypt, as the site claims. It's just a patronymic, a common genitive.

Here we have a case where the Torah is quite probably wrong, but the Qur'an is certainly wrong. But since Emre doesn't read Hebrew, Arabic, Egyptian, or English -- the languages needed to discuss this problem intelligently at this forum -- we will hear nothing about it. He'll ignore this problem completely and then come back in a few days with a completely different "miracle" to prove his religion. He doesn't really understand the arguments, or whether the sites he's consulted are scholarly or polemic. He's just throwing stuff out there, cargo-cult fashion.
 
JayUtah said:
He doesn't really understand the arguments, or whether the sites he's consulted are scholarly or polemic. He's just throwing stuff out there, cargo-cult fashion.
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Are we sure he's not a Christian? I saw behavior like that from most the Christians I knew growing up. Creationists in particular.
 
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