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National Emergency

Hellbound said:
Actually, no, an asylum claim puts everything on hold while it's evaluated (in theory, anyway). With the current situation it's a bit of a catch-22; asylum can only be claimed from inside the border, but they aren't letting asylum seekers in to try and claim it, forcing them to come in illegally. Which the Trump ICE then uses as an excuse to detain them and separate the families.
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Don't worry. Most immigrants seeking asylum will be ineligible according to a new regulation that the Trump administration filed on Friday and which goes into effect on Tuesday.

The Trump administration filed a regulation Monday that could dramatically limit the ability of Central American migrants to claim asylum if they enter the United States by land through Mexico, according to a document filed by the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security in the Federal Register.

"Pursuant to statutory authority, the Departments are amending their respective regulations to provide that, with limited exceptions, an alien who enters or attempts to enter the United States across the southern border after failing to apply for protection in a third country outside the alien's country of citizenship, nationality, or last lawful habitual residence through which the alien transited en route to the United States is ineligible for asylum," the document reads.
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Armitage72 said:
Don't worry. Most immigrants seeking asylum will be ineligible according to a new regulation that the Trump administration filed on Friday and which goes into effect on Tuesday.
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Things like this are why I can't help but laugh in the faces of the closeted portion of Trump's white-nationalist base who repeatedly tries to claim they're not anti-immigration, "it just has to be done legally". The president is actively attempting to remove all avenues of legal immigration to the US for non-whites.

I figured a step like this was coming as soon as the lie that asylum applicants "need to come through ports of entry" started gaining legs in his defenders' talking points.
 
You can't apply for asylum here unless you've already applied for asylum in another country first.

No doubt followed by either "They granted you asylum? Why didn't you stay there? Seems suspicious to me. Application denied!" or "They turned you down? Why? Seems suspicious to me. They clearly thought you were an undesirable. Application denied!"
 
Checkmite said:
Things like this are why I can't help but laugh in the faces of the closeted portion of Trump's white-nationalist base who repeatedly tries to claim they're not anti-immigration, "it just has to be done legally". The president is actively attempting to remove all avenues of legal immigration to the US for non-whites.

I figured a step like this was coming as soon as the lie that asylum applicants "need to come through ports of entry" started gaining legs in his defenders' talking points.
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Bull. Most people who immigrated to this country did not claim asylum. My ex-wife didn't and she's from Brazil. She came here legally, was medically tested and cleared, had a job awaiting her and learned English before she came. That is an immigrant. She is now a citizen.

Asylum has become the new loop-hole that allows thousands to stream in, and many claim it for no proper reason. "Let's claim asylum, they have to let us in!"

Since 1980, the U.S. has taken in 3 million of the more than 4 million refugees resettled worldwide. But in 2017, the U.S. resettled 33,000 refugees, the country's lowest total since the years following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and a steep drop from 2016, when it resettled about 97,000.
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3 million in almost 40 years. That's 75,000 per year avg. Four times more than the rest of the world combined.

We are now on pace to have over 1,000,000 illegals cross our border this year alone. How many are claiming refugee status? And this doesn't count the millions trying to get in legally and other refugees who don't come across the Mexican border!

What a scam!

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Think people - why would a government want this to continue as it has? Why do they try so hard to convince us that it's what we need to do? Do you really think it's compassion from our politicians? Total con job.
 
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mgidm86 said:
Bull. Most people who immigrated to this country did not claim asylum. My ex-wife didn't and she's from Brazil. She came here legally, was medically tested and cleared, had a job awaiting her and learned English before she came. That is an immigrant. She is now a citizen.

Asylum has become the new loop-hole that allows thousands to stream in, and many claim it for no proper reason. "Let's claim asylum, they have to let us in!"



3 million in almost 40 years. That's 75,000 per year avg. Four times more than the rest of the world combined.

We are now on pace to have over 1,000,000 illegals cross our border this year alone. How many are claiming refugee status? And this doesn't count the millions trying to get in legally and other refugees who don't come across the Mexican border!

What a scam!
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People currently fleeing Central America have had their lives threatened. They aren't just coming here for housekeeping jobs.

And the US is responsible for the economic and political disasters in those countries.

Many of them are coming here because they have family here, willing to sponsor them.

Why are you convinced they are bad people?
 
mgidm86 said:
We are now on pace to have over 1,000,000 illegals cross our border this year alone.
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You were talking about asylum seekers and then switched to "illegals". What's the connection?


And can you substantiate that number? And can you explain why such a relatively low number (compared to prior years) has suddenly become a problem?
 
It is supremely naive to assume that laws will stop migration.
Migration is something that needs to be managed, or the migrants will manage it themselves.
 
For what reason do people seek asylum? From what I understand, it's due to the feeling of danger of staying in their country. Why should we expect people to stay where they feel unsafe while they await months/years for an asylum confirmation? Do we really need to be sending people permission papers to enter the USA after they've already been murdered while awaiting those papers?
 
I find it...somewhat curious...that we refer to "asylum seekers" in the US. But call these people "refugees" when they are found elsewhere in the world.
 
Shadowdweller said:
I find it...somewhat curious...that we refer to "asylum seekers" in the US. But call these people "refugees" when they are found elsewhere in the world.
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That's a distinction made in law. The Immigration and Nationality Act defines asylum seekers as people who request asylum in the US or a port of entry. Refugees apply for that status outside the US. I used to be in the biz, a long time ago.
 
Armitage72 said:
Don't worry. Most immigrants seeking asylum will be ineligible according to a new regulation that the Trump administration filed on Friday and which goes into effect on Tuesday.
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That's going to get killed in the courts. The quoted bit contradicts the law. The Executive can only amend 8 CFR in compliance with Title 8 of the US Code. What Congress approved and a president signed cannot be taken away unless by act of Congress.
 
Baylor said:
Jewish Nazis huh?

Hey Benjamin, tell Herschel the Wannsee Conference is going to be held at the synagogue this year.

This place has lost it.
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Oh a Jewish joke with no understanding of what is going on! Good one! :rolleyes:

Even those close to Miller have made the same observation. Miller's own uncle has said his draconian policies would have doomed their Jewish refugee ancestors to death in pogroms. And actual neo-Nazis see him as advancing their goals: Andrew Anglin of the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer called Miller "the last person in the White House that has any sense," referring specifically to Miller's anti-immigrant agenda. That's been apparent to those who have worked with him, as well. A White House adviser, referring to images of families being split apart at the border, told Vanity Fair that "Stephen actually enjoys seeing those pictures at the border. He’s a twisted guy, the way he was raised and picked on. There’s always been a way he’s gone about this. He’s Waffen-SS."
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https://www.gq.com/story/stephen-miller-is-a-white-nationalist
 
Baylor said:
Neither smilies nor gq substitutes for an argument.
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I realise you were only emulating your "bigly" president with your attempts at a tired and insulting racial vilification meme. I guess it's your way of admitting you actually have no argument yourself. So all you can do is insult and deny the facts.

I win.
 
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