• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

National Emergency

A good reminder that over 90% of illegal drugs entering the US come through legal points of entry.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Democrats must change the Loophole & Asylum Laws - but they probably won’t! They want Open Borders, which means massive crime and drugs!

The White House
Verified account
@WhiteHouse
Last night, 12 children, a pregnant woman, a convicted felon, & 19 illegal aliens were found locked in a produce truck at a checkpoint. The driver, charged with human smuggling, kept the refrigeration off, so they were trapped inside where it was over 97 degrees
Click to expand...

Captain_Swoop said:
A good reminder that over 90% of illegal drugs entering the US come through legal points of entry.
Click to expand...

Trump is negating his own reasons to build a wall which would have no effect on checkpoints/legal points of entry.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Democrats must change the Loophole & Asylum Laws - but they probably won’t! They want Open Borders, which means massive crime and drugs!

The White House
Verified account
@WhiteHouse
Last night, 12 children, a pregnant woman, a convicted felon, & 19 illegal aliens were found locked in a produce truck at a checkpoint. The driver, charged with human smuggling, kept the refrigeration off, so they were trapped inside where it was over 97 degrees
Click to expand...

What does he think a loophole is?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Our Border Patrol people are not hospital workers, doctors or nurses. The Democrats bad Immigration Laws, which could be easily fixed, are the problem. Great job by Border Patrol, above and beyond. Many of these illegals aliens are living far better now than where they.....

.....came from, and in far safer conditions. No matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, the Democrat visitors will act shocked & aghast at how terrible things are. Just Pols. If they really want to fix them, change the Immigration Laws and Loopholes. So easy to do!

.....Now, if you really want to fix the Crisis at the Southern Border, both humanitarian and otherwise, tell migrants not to come into our country unless they are willing to do so legally, and hopefully through a system based on Merit. This way we have no problems at all!

If Illegal Immigrants are unhappy with the conditions in the quickly built or refitted detentions centers, just tell them not to come. All problems solved!

Mexico is doing a far better job than the Democrats on the Border. Thank you Mexico!
Click to expand...


Of course posters here are knocking this, but I don't know a single person in real life that does not feel this way. I've never met anyone who is okay with the number of people sneaking in illegally.

Only thing I disagree with is that it is all the Democrats fault. Repubs have done nothing about this. Nobody wants to. Too much money and power involved for both sides.

Stop making it easy for them and they will stop coming - that's the message. Neither side has been willing to do it though and they've suckered people into thinking that it's okay because "just look at the poor little migrants"

Total con job. The caravans are a con job. All of it is. Get the US citizens to sympathize so they can get cheap fruit and the politicians can make tons of money, virtue signal, and get big corp to fund their campaigns. All politics, none of them care about the poor migrants. None.

Wake up. This isn't about helping the needy - that's just naive.
 
Pixel42 said:
Has any Democrat member of Congress ever advocated open borders?
Click to expand...
Sadly, Joaquin Castro did. He marched along with some advocates of open borders though I haven't seen him say it on his own.

Your point is still correct, it's a BIG LIE and of course the Democrats are doing very little to say it is a lie.
 
mgidm86 said:
Of course posters here are knocking this, but I don't know a single person in real life that does not feel this way. I've never met anyone who is okay with the number of people sneaking in illegally.

Only thing I disagree with is that it is all the Democrats fault. Repubs have done nothing about this. Nobody wants to. Too much money and power involved for both sides.

Stop making it easy for them and they will stop coming - that's the message. Neither side has been willing to do it though and they've suckered people into thinking that it's okay because "just look at the poor little migrants"

Total con job. The caravans are a con job. All of it is. Get the US citizens to sympathize so they can get cheap fruit and the politicians can make tons of money, virtue signal, and get big corp to fund their campaigns. All politics, none of them care about the poor migrants. None.

Wake up. This isn't about helping the needy - that's just naive.
Click to expand...
3.5% unemployment why don't you blame the people employing them or recognize they are not bad for the country. The gang members are few and pretty much more home-grown than not.

How about we treat refugees humanely and with a little more dignity? They were doing fine without this mistreatment under Obama and even under GW.

How about we address the problems in their countries which the US had a big part creating?

How about we let PARENTS and siblings of citizens in. What other immigrants are we deporting mothers and fathers of? How about deporting Trump's in-laws?

And the immigrants that served in the US military? Are you kidding me, we are deporting them? :eek:

How about we give out a few more green cards?

It goes without saying, I'm OK with it. They really are a relatively small number that Trump and the press make seem huge. Contrary to Trump's lie, we obviously have room.
 
Last edited:
There's a lot of smoke around this issue and not very much light. One thing I see is the deliberate conflation between 1) asylum seekers, 2) people crossing the border illegally (that is, not at the proper checkpoints) and 3) illegal immigrants (typically people overstaying their visas.) I don't know what the numbers are like for each category.

Do you have to cross illegally simply to make an asylum claim? Or can you do it by appearing at a proper border crossing?

Are the caravans attempting to enter the USA illegally? Or are they appearing at the control points and claiming asylum? On what grounds? As far as I know "economic hardship" usually isn't considered that heavily when determining if an asylum claim should be granted. If that's the case, all the asylum seekers have managed to do is make a perilous trek only to deported back home.

Further, I don't know how many people who cross illegally are asylum seekers vs illegal immigrants, although I suspect that crossing illegally automatically puts one into the illegal immigrant category, regardless of any asylum claim.
 
Blue Mountain said:
Snip...
Further, I don't know how many people who cross illegally are asylum seekers vs illegal immigrants, although I suspect that crossing illegally automatically puts one into the illegal immigrant category, regardless of any asylum claim.
Click to expand...
Anyone who is vaguely brown and Hispanic is automatically an illegal immigrant. Duh! And probably voted 37 times for Hillary in 2016.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Sadly, Joaquin Juliàn Castro did. He marched along with some advocates of open borders though I haven't seen him say it on his own....
Click to expand...
ftf me
I have these guys mixed up. It was Juliàn Castro that marched with an open borders group, not Joaquin.

But Juliàn is the one running for POTUS.
 
Trump Tweets

The Fake News Media, in particular the Failing @nytimes, is writing phony and exaggerated accounts of the Border Detention Centers. First of all, people should not be entering our Country illegally, only for us to then have to care for them. We should be allowed to focus on .....

....United States Citizens first. Border Patrol, and others in Law Enforcement, have been doing a great job. We said there was a Crisis - the Fake News & the Dems said it was “manufactured.” Now all agree we were right, but they always knew that. They are crowded (which we.....

....brought up, not them) because the Dems won’t change the Loopholes and Asylum. Big Media Con Job!

We are building the Wall now, but the reason the badly needed Wall wasn’t approved in the Republican controlled House and Senate was that we had a very slim majority in the Senate, & needed 9 Democrat votes. They were totally unwilling to give Wall votes to us, want Open Borders!
 
Blue Mountain said:
There's a lot of smoke around this issue and not very much light. One thing I see is the deliberate conflation between 1) asylum seekers, 2) people crossing the border illegally (that is, not at the proper checkpoints) and 3) illegal immigrants (typically people overstaying their visas.) I don't know what the numbers are like for each category.
Click to expand...

Ditto. The conflation of all these, and the idea that if you don't want Trump's line you somehow want open borders (the black or white approach) pretty much makes this discussion about as useful as a circle-jerk of eunuchs.

Do you have to cross illegally simply to make an asylum claim? Or can you do it by appearing at a proper border crossing?
Click to expand...

that used to happen, but my understanding is that now the legal crossings are turning away people trying to enter to claim asylum (one of the changes made by the Trump administration), so now they have to cross illegally. Asylum can only be claimed once inside the borders.

Are the caravans attempting to enter the USA illegally? Or are they appearing at the control points and claiming asylum? On what grounds? As far as I know "economic hardship" usually isn't considered that heavily when determining if an asylum claim should be granted. If that's the case, all the asylum seekers have managed to do is make a perilous trek only to deported back home.
Click to expand...

My understanding is that, for the most part, they are trying to follow legal guidelines.

Further, I don't know how many people who cross illegally are asylum seekers vs illegal immigrants, although I suspect that crossing illegally automatically puts one into the illegal immigrant category, regardless of any asylum claim.
Click to expand...

Actually, no, an asylum claim puts everything on hold while it's evaluated (in theory, anyway). With the current situation it's a bit of a catch-22; asylum can only be claimed from inside the border, but they aren't letting asylum seekers in to try and claim it, forcing them to come in illegally. Which the Trump ICE then uses as an excuse to detain them and separate the families.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom