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What are the chances that Donald Trump will end up in prison?

What are the chances that Donald Trump will end up in prison?

  • 100%

    Votes: 3 3.4%

  • 75%

    Votes: 5 5.7%

  • 50%

    Votes: 13 14.8%

  • 25%

    Votes: 16 18.2%

  • 0% - Donald Trump has a better chance of ending up on Planet X.

    Votes: 51 58.0%
  • Total voters
    88
Probably because I'm Canadian I find myself straddling the fence. The hopeful and optimistic half of me can see all the past and present crap surrounding this scumbag coming home to roost with a criminal conviction and jail time. But the pessimistic realist sees all too clearly the privelege accorded the rich white class.

My strongly held convictions on matters of right and wrong and justice induce terrible rage when the monied class buys itself out of trouble. I hope the SDNY sticks to its guns and goes after the Trump clan but good.
 
BTW if Trump is re-elected in 2020, the odds of one of his political opponents winding up in prison by the end of his second term is about... 1 in 10 I'd say.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Edit: I wonder what the trumpkins would do. It's as if they can't fathom that there will be a time after Trump, where people will have moved on and they will have to live with shamelessly and blindly supporting and excusing everything he's said and done. I picture their grandkids sitting on their laps asking what they were doing when that terrible Trump guy they've heard about was president. Are they supposed to say, "erm, well, actually, I wore a red cap with a campaign slogan and sat on Internet forums trolling and posting whataboutisms whenever people criticised him"?
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Going by the photos at Trump rallies, I'd wager that most of their grandchildren are already grown by now. I don't think the majority of Trump supporters will have a decade or more to live to regret their decisions.
 
100%, if we include prisons for the criminally insane.

Capone ended as a drooling paretic. Was he in stir, or in a nice home with bars?
 
sackett said:
100%, if we include prisons for the criminally insane.

Capone ended as a drooling paretic. Was he in stir, or in a nice home with bars?
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He did time at Alcatraz then died in his home in florida.
 
The Don said:
I'm going with zero.

Charging a current or ex-President with anything would be politically very difficult. It would set a precedent and every future Democratic Party President could look forward to criminal charges brought by a compliant GOP state. I don't think charges will even be brought.
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They have already been trying to find anything they can possibly spin into such crimes for decades. You think if Clinton committed half the crimes we know Trump has that he wouldn't have been impeached, convicted and then criminally charged and convicted?

Republicans are there, they are the ones saying that issuing illegal orders and following those orders is not a crime, and that all laws are subject to if the president cares about them.

I mean lying on a security clearance document is a felony and we know Jared did that repeatedly and got caught, but of course charging the man who has the vision for peace in the middle east and the end of the opioid crisis is not politically viable.

We just have to stop pretending Nixon wasn't right when he said "when the president does it, its legal" and really accept that he was just a basic politician in the new mold and not some kind of criminal just because he was violating laws.
 
psionl0 said:
There is no chance that the legal system would ever put him in prison. Even if there was a prospect, he would be pardoned.

The only hope is a French style revolution and even then, he would more likely be guillotined.
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Not if he's convicted by the state of NY. Or, federally and the next president is a democrat.
 
Sadly here's how I see it playing out, even under the best case scenario.

Under our current landscape:

- It's impossible to impeach a sitting President without a majority in the Senate.
- There's no other other politically viable way to remove a sitting President.

So Trump is untouchable while he's in office.

Once he leaves office there's gonna be a LOT of talk and bluster about "going after him" but... that's not gonna happen.

Once he's out of office the immediate threat is gone. At that point it's punishment, not threat mitigation. Going after Trump then is going to be a harder sell. Yes a lot of people will argue (and they won't even be wrong in my opinion) that Trump needs to be punished, but it become a back-burner issue.

And everyone knows if we punish a sitting or recently departed Republican President, that's it. We're done. The Republicans will to save face try to take down the next Democratic President. Their honor will demand it.

There's already too much chatter that frames this in the "Oh so the Republicans got impeach Clinton for a blowjob but we can't..." which, deny it all you want, makes this sound like politically motivated revenge.

Impeachments, indictments, investigations... those are running the risk of just becoming standard tools of politics like the filibuster and the government shutdowns if we're not careful. Does anyone really want to see that?
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Sadly here's how I see it playing out, even under the best case scenario.

Under our current landscape:

- It's impossible to impeach a sitting President without a majority in the Senate.
- There's no other other politically viable way to remove a sitting President.

So Trump is untouchable while he's in office.

Once he leaves office there's gonna be a LOT of talk and bluster about "going after him" but... that's not gonna happen.

Once he's out of office the immediate threat is gone. At that point it's punishment, not threat mitigation. Going after Trump then is going to be a harder sell. Yes a lot of people will argue (and they won't even be wrong in my opinion) that Trump needs to be punished, but it become a back-burner issue.

And everyone know if we punish a sitting or recently departed Republican President, that's it. We're done. The Republicans will to save face try to take down the next Democratic President. Their honor will demand it.

There's already too much chatter that frames this in the "Oh so the Republicans got impeach Clinton for a blowjob but we can't..." which, deny it all you want, makes this sound like politically motivated revenge.

Impeachments, indictments, those are running the risk of just becoming standard tools of politics like the filibuster and the government shutdowns if we're not careful. Does anyone really want to see that?
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The Republicans are going to attempt to destroy every non-Republican president anyway, no matter what happens or doesn't happen. So why bother playing nice with them? It doesn't inspire reciprocal niceness. Give them an inch and they'll sell it to Russia while complaining that they should have received a thousand miles and a tax break as well.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The Republicans are going to attempt to destroy every non-Republican president anyway, no matter what happens or doesn't happen. So why bother playing nice with them? It doesn't inspire reciprocal niceness. Give them an inch and they'll sell it to Russia while complaining that they should have received a thousand miles and a tax break as well.
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Exactly that has been the republican game plan for decades. Why is the republicans doing what they have been supposed to be a threat?
 
TragicMonkey said:
The Republicans are going to attempt to destroy every non-Republican president anyway, no matter what happens or doesn't happen. So why bother playing nice with them? It doesn't inspire reciprocal niceness. Give them an inch and they'll sell it to Russia while complaining that they should have received a thousand miles and a tax break as well.
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I think it is dangerous, very dangerous, to assume the Republicans don't have their own image to worry about. Yes they will within a metaphysical screw with the next Democratic President regardless, but how they will do is up in the air and that "how" matters more then you'd think.

Especially since right now the Dems are trying to find a way to take out Trump without the normal channels that require a majority. Any such actions are not a genie that will politely go back in the bottle.

Do you want to hand a future Republican minority lead Senate the means to take out a sitting Democratic President? Or a future 5-4 Conservative minority Supreme Court the same?

Again... "It can't get any worse" has pretty much literally never not being proven wrong.

Alls I'm saying is right now the Democrats are straining at the seems to find a way to take out Trump without a majority/political power in the places that are supposed to keep a President in line; mainly the Senate and SCOTUS. Such territory is not well mapped and should be trodden on lightly.
 
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