The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[bagels]

Are the police super lucky that after their case against Raffaele collapsed they managed to go back to the apartment and miraculously find his DNA on an uncollected piece of evidence, or are they super unlucky they didn't manage to secure a conviction with that?

It's a philosophical question for the ages I suppose...

 

[Stacyhs]

More evidence of Stefanoni's and her team's incompetence is her statement regarding the failure to collect important, even vital, pieces of evidence:

...it was important because it was a missing piece of the bra, but in any case we had already taken the whole bra, so maybe we overlooked it, shall we say, without any particular reason: we have the whole bra, [so] just like we overlooked the little piece, we overlooked the handbag, the sweatshirt, other exhibits/pieces of evidence that then later – ironically/strangely enough – fate/destiny willed that they give [us] results. In other words, there is no specific reason, since we had the whole bra …

LOL! Stefanoni thinks it was 'ironic or strange' to find evidence on the bra clasp in a sexual assault, on a handbag which had held a stolen wallet, and the jacket that was pulled off the victim of a deadly sexual attack? What next? It would be strange to find identifying DNA in the semen left by a rapist? Oh, wait......

 

[Vixen]

I think this has been the key to the bra clasp all along. The prosecution wants you to believe that Raffaele, during the commission of this violent assault, touched the hook and transferred his DNA. If Raffaele had been involved it's very likely he would have been perspiring heavily and this would dramatically increase the amount of DNA his skin could transfer. He would have been the last person to touch the hook, which being made of smooth metal means it won't retain DNA as well as a porous surface would. In this scenario he would likely have wiped off most other latent DNA in the process of depositing his own. His DNA should have been the dominant DNA in this sample. Instead, it's only a minor contributor and only one sixth that of Meredith's. I think this all but proves his DNA didn't get there by direct transfer - it's simply to weak a trace. --at least that's my theory and I'm sticking to it (for now).

It's such a shame he refused to go in the witness box and be cross-examined. Such a helpful upright decent citizen. Even ****** off to the the Dominican Republic during his own appeal. Seen hanging out with Italian mobsters, who flock to DR because there is no extradition treaty.

The reason for the above is obvious: he was scared ********.

 

[Vixen]

In contrast to the bra hook where I accept Sollecito's DNA was present (although ideally the hook would have been correctly stored so it could have been retested - a competent forensic laboratory would have stored the hook appropriately!), I think the DNA of the victim on the knife blade was likely laboratory contamination. The method used to concentrate the DNA is notoriously susceptible to contamination, and the level of DNA was so low it fits with a contamination event, this is why LCN samples need to be replicated. (As others who did impressive work on the laboratory records commented the records suggest this was a redo of testing the knife and the previous test either had obviously contaminated controls or negative results.)

It's a shame the defence do not agree with you. Even Conti and Vecchiotti under oath concurred no contamination could have taken place in Stefanoni's laboratory. The defence forensic witnesses who watched the testing did not raise any objections, either.

Maybe they should have called you as a witness instead.

 

[Vixen]

What science and common sense tell us is that, IF there were MK's DNA on the knife blade, it could not have been deposited at the time of the murder. It could not have survived a bleach bath that would have been necessary to remove all traces of blood. Therefore there are only two scenarios: it was not MK's DNA Stefanoni 'found' OR it put there after the murder through contamination.

Would could should more unwarranted waffle.

 

[LondonJohn]

It's such a shame he refused to go in the witness box and be cross-examined. Such a helpful upright decent citizen. Even ****** off to the the Dominican Republic during his own appeal. Seen hanging out with Italian mobsters, who flock to DR because there is no extradition treaty.

The reason for the above is obvious: he was scared ********.

*sigh*

(The reason for the above is NOT obvious. This has been patiently explained to you, with supporting evidence, many times now. Seems like it's gone in one ear and out the other - standard operating practice for a fixed-mindset zealous set of beliefs, of course....)

 

[Stacyhs]

It's such a shame he refused to go in the witness box and be cross-examined. Such a helpful upright decent citizen. Even ****** off to the the Dominican Republic during his own appeal. Seen hanging out with Italian mobsters, who flock to DR because there is no extradition treaty.

The reason for the above is obvious: he was scared ********.

It's a shame, but no surprise, that instead of addressing the topic, you resort to snide comments, lies, and personal attacks on Sollecito. Well, I guess if that's all you've got, it's all you've got.

Sollecito was never 'hanging around with Italian mobsters'. Unless, of course, you'd like to claim he also went to Rocco Sollecito's memorial. Maybe you could find a picture of him somewhere and c & p that next to a pic of Rocco. You know...like when you linked to a photo of his father coming out of the courthouse years previous that implied it was at Rocco's memorial.

 

[Numbers]

What science and common sense tell us is that, IF there were MK's DNA on the knife blade, it could not have been deposited at the time of the murder. It could not have survived a bleach bath that would have been necessary to remove all traces of blood. Therefore there are only two scenarios: it was not MK's DNA Stefanoni 'found' OR it put there after the murder through contamination.

What some of us are suggesting is that there wasn't any of Meredith Kercher's DNA on the knife blade. It is likely, as I believe Planigale is suggesting, that MK's DNA entered the sample Stefanoni was preparing for the DNA profile test while she was concentrating it, a step that involves suction. The Qubit quantification step performed prior to that step showed NO MEASURABLE DNA in the sample. And it's remarkable that there were many other samples with no measurable DNA, but this knife blade one was the only one that Stefanoni claimed, in her results, to have actually tested for a DNA profile.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's a shame the defence do not agree with you. Even Conti and Vecchiotti under oath concurred no contamination could have taken place in Stefanoni's laboratory. The defence forensic witnesses who watched the testing did not raise any objections, either.

Maybe they should have called you as a witness instead.

From C & V's report:

It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed.

I see you still think the defense forensic witnesses can actually SEE DNA contamination.

 

[bagels]

It's a shame the defence do not agree with you. Even Conti and Vecchiotti under oath concurred no contamination could have taken place in Stefanoni's laboratory. The defence forensic witnesses who watched the testing did not raise any objections, either.

Maybe they should have called you as a witness instead.

Vixen I know ISF has a no spoilers policy but hopefully you'll catch up to the final outcome of this case so we can more appropriately discuss which side needed help from different witnesses.

The 2015 season should be on blu ray by now.

 

[Stacyhs]

What science and common sense tell us is that, IF there were MK's DNA on the knife blade, it could not have been deposited at the time of the murder. It could not have survived a bleach bath that would have been necessary to remove all traces of blood. Therefore there are only two scenarios: it was not MK's DNA Stefanoni 'found' OR it put there after the murder through contamination.

Would could should more unwarranted waffle.

Now THAT is a well thought out rebuttal, Vix! Would you care to answer the question or resort to your usual and just ignore what you don't want to acknowledge?

Do you claim that MK's DNA survived a cleaning with bleach that removed all traces of blood from the knife, even in hidden, protected places?

 

[Stacyhs]

What some of us are suggesting is that there wasn't any of Meredith Kercher's DNA on the knife blade. It is likely, as I believe Planigale is suggesting, that MK's DNA entered the sample Stefanoni was preparing for the DNA profile test while she was concentrating it, a step that involves suction. The Qubit quantification step performed prior to that step showed NO MEASURABLE DNA in the sample. And it's remarkable that there were many other samples with no measurable DNA, but this knife blade one was the only one that Stefanoni claimed, in her results, to have actually tested for a DNA profile.

That is a possibility. As I said, you have to either accept that the DNA survived a very thorough bleach cleaning OR that the DNA was deposited after the murder, i.e. contamination.

 

[Bill Williams]

It's such a shame he refused to go in the witness box and be cross-examined. Such a helpful upright decent citizen. Even ****** off to the the Dominican Republic during his own appeal. Seen hanging out with Italian mobsters, who flock to DR because there is no extradition treaty.

The reason for the above is obvious: he was scared ********.

What a bizarre post. Factoid-salad. Are you ok?

 

[Bill Williams]

Now THAT is a well thought out rebuttal, Vix! Would you care to answer the question or resort to your usual and just ignore what you don't want to acknowledge?

Do you claim that MK's DNA survived a cleaning with bleach that removed all traces of blood from the knife, even in hidden, protected places?

Hidden, protected places that the courts acknowledged could not be seen by anyone, and could not be photographed!

 

[Vixen]

From C & V's report:



I see you still think the defense forensic witnesses can actually SEE DNA contamination.

Read your own quote:

Quote:
It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed.

They are referring to the [collection stage at the cottage. I suspect you or some PIP added the last clause as C&V definitely concurred under oath no contamination occurred in Stefanoni's laboratory.

We can see how dishonourable this pair are, for in the Netflix film, they switch to claiming Stefanoni's laboratories were contaminated.

 

[Vixen]

It's a shame, but no surprise, that instead of addressing the topic, you resort to snide comments, lies, and personal attacks on Sollecito. Well, I guess if that's all you've got, it's all you've got.

Sollecito was never 'hanging around with Italian mobsters'. Unless, of course, you'd like to claim he also went to Rocco Sollecito's memorial. Maybe you could find a picture of him somewhere and c & p that next to a pic of Rocco. You know...like when you linked to a photo of his father coming out of the courthouse years previous that implied it was at Rocco's memorial.

He was photographed by OGGI lying on the beach next to a mafia gangster.

 

[Vixen]

Now THAT is a well thought out rebuttal, Vix! Would you care to answer the question or resort to your usual and just ignore what you don't want to acknowledge?

Do you claim that MK's DNA survived a cleaning with bleach that removed all traces of blood from the knife, even in hidden, protected places?

Oh dear. Why do surgeons before surgery scrub up to their elbows ultra-ultra- throughly and often with a scrubbing brush or harsh sponge before an operation?

That's right: germs and viruses can hide within the deep crevices of one's skin or nails.

Now imagine a kitchen knife covered with small scratches.

Or try brushing your teeth thoroughly and then adding a disclosure solution.

Suddenly all those minute specks of food, bacteria, grease, rye flour are highlighted because despite your scrubbing, it wasn't deep enough to reach the hidden striations.

 

[Bill Williams]

Oh dear. Why do surgeons before surgery scrub up to their elbows ultra-ultra- throughly and often with a scrubbing brush or harsh sponge before an operation?

That's right: germs and viruses can hide within the deep crevices of one's skin or nails.

Now imagine a kitchen knife covered with small scratches.

Or try brushing your teeth thoroughly and then adding a disclosure solution.

Suddenly all those minute specks of food, bacteria, grease, rye flour are highlighted because despite your scrubbing, it wasn't deep enough to reach the hidden striations.

The really strange thing is that you probably believe all this, and that what you wrote makes sense.

 

[Stacyhs]

Read your own quote:

It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed.

They are referring to the [collection stage at the cottage. I suspect you or some PIP added the last clause as C&V definitely concurred under oath no contamination occurred in Stefanoni's laboratory.
We can see how dishonourable this pair are, for in the Netflix film, they switch to claiming Stefanoni's laboratories were contaminated.

LOL! From the original C and V report:

Né, per quanto precedentemente esplicitato, si può escludere che il risultato
ottenuto da tale campionatura possa derivare da fenomeni di contaminazione
verjficatasi in una qualunque fase della repertazione e/o manipolazione e/o dei processi analitici eseguiti.

Nor, for what previously explained, can we exclude the result
obtained from this sampling may result from contamination phenomena
verified in any phase of the collection and / or manipulation and / or of the
analytical processes performed.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...-Report-Consultant-Court-Vecchiotti-Conti.pdf

I guess TJMK gave us a 'doctored' report? BWWWWWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAH!

 

[bagels]

*Vixen to Raffaele lounging at a beach resort* It's a shame you didn't have the FOAKERs take the stand to counter Stefanoni's powerful evidence

*Raffaele signals to the concierge to deal with Vixen*

*Vixen to no one in particular while being escorted off the premise* Woulds coulds and shoulds, a pity C&V ruled no contamination occurred.