Cont: Trans Women are not Women II: The Bath Of Khan

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Meadmaker said:
You are not up on your modern lexicon.

A male bodied T would be someone with a male body, but a female gender identity, i.e. a transwoman. According to the modern notions, then that person is really and truly a woman, despite having a penis. So, if that person is attracted to men, then that makes the male-bodied T a heterosexual woman, and therefore certainly not G, nor even L. If "she" is also attracted to women, she could be a B, but that would be true regardless of T status.

There will be a quiz on this, possibly in the HR office, or at a hate speech trial if you live in Britain.
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Define "modern". I remember 35 years ago at least that trans women who were attracted to women called themselves lesbians.
 
The Atheist said:
Toilet problem solved: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...t-last-a-female-urinal-for-the-festival-crowd
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I love this:

“We wanted to create the female version of a product which exists all over the world,” she [the creator] explained.

“I don’t think it’s that complicated to make a urinal for women. I just think it was something which was designed by men and they only thought about themselves.”
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So it's men's fault that women couldn't figure out the urinal problem until 2019? Is she saying women really are that dumb?

I showed this new urinal to my wife. The issues are many. Aiming would be a problem for her so wet shoes and all that. Touching the sides of the urinal just doesn't work for her. The fact that anyone walking by has the opportunity to see her, and the woman using it can look down into the next urinal when standing, means she would never use it.

This isn't going to catch on. It doesn't address the problems of urination the way a urinal for men solves them. I guess it's back to the drawing board.
 
Robin said:
Define "modern". I remember 35 years ago at least that trans women who were attracted to women called themselves lesbians.
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Were these heterosexual men calling themselves lesbians calling actual lesbians who disagreed and/or didn't want to have sex with them transphobes 35 years ago?
 
IsThisTheLife said:
I realise that 'LGBT' has become the pert acronym favoured by the media (hence BBC News has a staff "LGBT correspondent"), but not long ago it was the more unwieldy 'LGBTQ' (+) - I still don't understand why the apparent distinction between G(ay) and Q(ueer) was made.
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Seems like the Q includes all of the above, so I don't know why they don't just use "queer" to emcompass all of them.

Plus, the LGB part is about orientation. The T doesn't really fit there, methinks.
 
Belz... said:
Seems like the Q includes all of the above, so I don't know why they don't just use "queer" to emcompass all of them.



Plus, the LGB part is about orientation. The T doesn't really fit there, methinks.
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It fitted in because as I may have mentioned the LGB (or in my early days G) "community" were the only ones that accepted trans folk, it was only in gay pubs that you would see trans people relaxing and being who they wanted to be, without fearing violence etc. That built a shared experience so the joining in with activism was a natural step.
 
Darat said:
It fitted in because as I may have mentioned the LGB (or in my early days G) "community" were the only ones that accepted trans folk, it was only in gay pubs that you would see trans people relaxing and being who they wanted to be, without fearing violence etc. That built a shared experience so the joining in with activism was a natural step.
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By "early days" are you talking about pre-1980s when all these people had their own hang outs and were able to live the life they chose or the 1980s and nearer when they were set on by police and legislators?
 
Darat said:
It fitted in because as I may have mentioned the LGB (or in my early days G) "community" were the only ones that accepted trans folk, it was only in gay pubs that you would see trans people relaxing and being who they wanted to be, without fearing violence etc. That built a shared experience so the joining in with activism was a natural step.
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That's odd because I heard the exact opposite.
 
qayak said:
By "early days" are you talking about pre-1980s when all these people had their own hang outs and were able to live the life they chose or the 1980s and nearer when they were set on by police and legislators?
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Sorry, when????

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qayak said:
By "early days" are you talking about pre-1980s when all these people had their own hang outs and were able to live the life they chose or the 1980s and nearer when they were set on by police and legislators?
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Let me be more specific, there was no time pre 1980's when the gay, lesbian or transexual community were able to live the life we chose.

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Matthew Best said:
You heard that the LGB community were the only ones that didn't accept Trans folk? That seems unlikely.
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Yeah, seems very unlikely to me. But perhaps my experience in London, Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool and even little old Bolton was atypical and the LGs in other areas used to threaten the Ts with violence.
 
p0lka said:
Nowadays, they can realise that they were never lesbians after all, they were just in the wrong body.
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No, trans women who are attracted to women still call themselves lesbians. Nothing has changed in that respect.

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theprestige said:
Evidence?

Also, who ******* cares about your device?
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Perhaps you could try a few seconds of concentrated thought on both those counts. Unfortunately I cannot do that for you.

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Belz... said:
:rolleyes:



Ok maybe not the literal opposite, but I heard they weren't treated well by them at all. Don't have a source for that, though.
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Depends what you mean. For example in the 80s in Manchester many of the Ts would go to the New Union (not the most trendy of the few gay pubs around the area) and they certainly didn't face violence and threats in such a pub. Yes there were some issues in that some of the Gs and Ls were not that friendly or supportive but in the end the commonality of persecution brought the activists together.
 
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