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Cont: Trans Women are not Women II: The Bath Of Khan

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The Atheist said:
I know what the thread's about because I started it, and the only purpose of the thread was to state that trans women are not women.

That's unchallengeable - they don't have a uterus or ovaries and they are not, and will never be, women.

That's it. The thread's drifted into all sorts of bollocks, which is fairly demonstrable by the fact that the same arguments have been going on for 50-something pages with no sign of consensus.
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There's a thread in science about how rockets don't work in the vacuum of space. But it's also about conservation of momentum, fluid dynamics, rocket science in general, and some other issues.

You started a conversation. That doesn't mean you define it.
 
The Atheist said:
Terrible analogy. Can a non-combatant speak to the personal effect of war injuries? No.

If you haven't been under fire, you have no idea what it's like, so therefore your input would be completely invalid.
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Rubbish. One of the unique characteristics of humans is that we can draw experience from others. Obviously that means we can then discuss it.
 
JihadJane said:
Silence? Maybe you need to get some hearing aids! There is a huge, transnational feminist campaign against this.
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I imagine that the post may have been trying to say that: "feminists" have been completely ineffective and durr hurr serves the bleating wretches right yar boo what they need is a darn good **** anyway right? Dunno though.
 
d4m10n said:
Are you trying to make an argument against anything in particular?
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Not so much making an argument as expressing a certain sentiment against a certain aspect of the liberal worldview. An argument for which can certainly be defended but which I don't particularly have the intention of doing so, especially since it would take us too far off track for this thread. Perhaps the sentiment can best be expressed by the following:

Conservatives: "Ten white men should own half the planet!"
Liberals: "No! Five of them should be women, and maybe one of them should be black!"
 
Camille La Paglia, darling of the intellectual dork web (as I believe they like to term themselves) said "In Texas, unlike the urban Northeast, men are men."

So if men in the Urban Northeast are not men, what are they, I wonder.

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Robin said:
Camille La Paglia, darling of the intellectual dork web (as I believe they like to term themselves) said "In Texas, unlike the urban Northeast, men are men."

So if men in the Urban Northeast are not men, what are they, I wonder.

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Or, alternately, is it just possible to suggest that in common language usage the word 'man' might be used in more than one way (even within the same sentence) without someone invoking 1984?

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Since the thread is stupid anyway, I’ll use the space to pontificate a little.

Though I hella support 90% of the transgender stuff I see, I have to admit I have a hard time really imagining it cause I don’t identify very strongly with my gender. If I woke up tomorrow and the world started misgendering me I’d pretty much just be a little baffled. Would people make fun of me for looking feminine? That would be pretty ironic! But I can’t imagine I’d really try to put my foot down on the issue of my real gender. It’d be so much easier to play along. I could get a shorter haircut. I already have a unisex name, which is handy. I’d probably feel a little more self conscious about being short and quick to cry. I’d need the exact same amount of help from acquaintances in picking out clothes other people would find reasonable on me. And knowing everyone sees me as a dude would probably be a confidence boost. I’d love knowing straight guys who hang out with me definitely aren’t holding out any romantic hopes.

In private I’d probably tell people I was close to that I was really a woman. I don’t think it’d bother me if they scoffed or thought I was being weird or lying to them. It’d just be what’s true anyway. I’m incapable of doubting it so I don’t think I’d be knocked off base or anything. It’d just be weird. Relationships would be a little harder but I like unusual people anyway so I’m sure I could work with it.

But what I CAN imagine is what a pain in the ass all that would be if I really cared, if I loved makeup and dresses, or if I just really loved being female as part of my identity. For me, there’s... really nothing to give up. But if there was? I can’t feel it myself but I can imagine it. It’s got to be ridiculous. Like the world just doesn’t believe you about something so ridiculously true. Like what the **** do you care that much what my gender is that you’re gonna contradict me on it? THAT part I can sympathise with.
 
Robin said:
Camille La Paglia, darling of the intellectual dork web (as I believe they like to term themselves) said "In Texas, unlike the urban Northeast, men are men."

So if men in the Urban Northeast are not men, what are they, I wonder.

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Also wonder where that spare "La" came from in Paglia's name...

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caveman1917 said:
Not so much making an argument as expressing a certain sentiment against a certain aspect of the liberal worldview. An argument for which can certainly be defended but which I don't particularly have the intention of doing so, especially since it would take us too far off track for this thread. Perhaps the sentiment can best be expressed by the following:

Conservatives: "Ten white men should own half the planet!"
Liberals: "No! Five of them should be women, and maybe one of them should be black!"
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Ultra-Conservative: "Women are **** when compared to men!"

SJW: "The best woman is a washed up, white, former male, and decathlete, who once appeared on a reality show!"

Me: "Not really seeing the difference at this point."
 
Lithrael said:
Since the thread is stupid anyway, I’ll use the space to pontificate a little.

Though I hella support 90% of the transgender stuff I see, I have to admit I have a hard time really imagining it cause I don’t identify very strongly with my gender. If I woke up tomorrow and the world started misgendering me I’d pretty much just be a little baffled. Would people make fun of me for looking feminine? That would be pretty ironic! But I can’t imagine I’d really try to put my foot down on the issue of my real gender. It’d be so much easier to play along. I could get a shorter haircut. I already have a unisex name, which is handy. I’d probably feel a little more self conscious about being short and quick to cry. I’d need the exact same amount of help from acquaintances in picking out clothes other people would find reasonable on me. And knowing everyone sees me as a dude would probably be a confidence boost. I’d love knowing straight guys who hang out with me definitely aren’t holding out any romantic hopes.

In private I’d probably tell people I was close to that I was really a woman. I don’t think it’d bother me if they scoffed or thought I was being weird or lying to them. It’d just be what’s true anyway. I’m incapable of doubting it so I don’t think I’d be knocked off base or anything. It’d just be weird. Relationships would be a little harder but I like unusual people anyway so I’m sure I could work with it.

But what I CAN imagine is what a pain in the ass all that would be if I really cared, if I loved makeup and dresses, or if I just really loved being female as part of my identity. For me, there’s... really nothing to give up. But if there was? I can’t feel it myself but I can imagine it. It’s got to be ridiculous. Like the world just doesn’t believe you about something so ridiculously true. Like what the **** do you care that much what my gender is that you’re gonna contradict me on it? THAT part I can sympathise with.
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Please define the following words:

Gender
Female
Transgender
 
I don't really understand why the T is part of the LGBT?

The LGB part are fighting against conformity, in the sense of 'Don't tell me who I should be attracted to, I'm gonna be who i want and not conform.'

The T bit is all about conforming,
'ooh I feel like a girl so I have to look like a girl',
or, 'I feel like a boy so i have to look like a boy',

or more generally, 'I want to conform to a gender role, so I need to fit in with that gender role',

Why is the T treated the same as the LGB? They're coming from completely different positions?
LGB ... don't care I'll do what I want..
T... I need to conform..I need to conform...form...m.
 
p0lka said:
I don't really understand why the T is part of the LGBT?

The LGB part are fighting against conformity, in the sense of 'Don't tell me who I should be attracted to, I'm gonna be who i want and not conform.'

The T bit is all about conforming,
'ooh I feel like a girl so I have to look like a girl',
or, 'I feel like a boy so i have to look like a boy',

or more generally, 'I want to conform to a gender role, so I need to fit in with that gender role',

Why is the T treated the same as the LGB? They're coming from completely different positions?
LGB ... don't care I'll do what I want..
T... I need to conform..I need to conform...form...m.
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Every T is G, as far as I can tell. But, there are probably exceptions.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Every T is G, as far as I can tell. But, there are probably exceptions.
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You are not up on your modern lexicon.

A male bodied T would be someone with a male body, but a female gender identity, i.e. a transwoman. According to the modern notions, then that person is really and truly a woman, despite having a penis. So, if that person is attracted to men, then that makes the male-bodied T a heterosexual woman, and therefore certainly not G, nor even L. If "she" is also attracted to women, she could be a B, but that would be true regardless of T status.

There will be a quiz on this, possibly in the HR office, or at a hate speech trial if you live in Britain.
 
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