Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

[carlitos]

As I said diversity is good in good times. When things turn bad and fester, well best case scenario is ussr 1989-91. Worst case, see Syria.

Most Mexican immigrants scream about how America is the great satan and how it is inherently stolen land, in a manner reminiscent of the German Slavic tensions in 1914. As for crime rates, if you include the poverty and racism stricken ghettos it is hard to have higher crime rate than that.

You’re writing fiction again.

I don’t suppose you care to support your claim about most Mexicans with any kind of evidence?

 

[I Am The Scum]

Thanx. That explains the first half. theprestige's comment? Is that sorta "Your mama wears combat boots"?

Given the mistaken link, he may have been unaware of the intended context. I'd just chalk the whole thing up as a big misunderstanding at this point.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Nothing about the current migration wave is new: in the past, some significant fraction of Americans have reacted exactly the same to the Italians, the Irish, the Poles, etc.
All of them were accused of the same things as people from Latin America are now.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Coming to America illegally is an "egregious violation of the law hence said inceration.

"egregious ????

It's a friggin' misdemeanor.

 

[Foolmewunz]

"egregious ????

It's a friggin' misdemeanor.

But it's an egregious misdemeanor. I mean, they're all brown and stuff.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What the **** are you blabbering about? I didn't start this topic, but the entire thread is about the crisis at the southern border. For the record, I am against all illegal immigration, regardless of source country. Doubt it if you feel like it, but you have no evidence otherwise, so you can feel free to violently cram any implications or accusations to the contrary somewhere, anywhere, extremely uncomfortable.

I have no idea where you get the notion that people coming over the Pacific don't have to go through the same entry procedures as anyone else so I can't address that particular flavor of BS.

I believe there are more visa overstayers than those crossing the southern border.

Assuming this data is valid (it might not be so if someone has any reliable information: Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally
Countries of Origin, States of Residence, Jobs Held, Age, and Gender

Where are they from:

1. Mexico 5,450,000
2. El Salvador 725,000
3. Guatemala 575,000
4. India 475,000
5. Honduras 425,000
6. China 325,000
7. Dominican Republic 210,000
8. Philippines 140,000
9. Brazil 130,000
9. Korea 130,000
All Countries 10,700,000

Probably the majority from Brazil are not coming across the southern border.
Where do they work:

In 2016, approximately 31% of workers in the roofing industry and 24% of maids/housekeepers were undocumented immigrants.

1. Roofers 70,000 230,000 31%
2. Drywall installers, ceiling & tile installers & tapers 45,000 160,000 30%
3. Misc. agricultural workers 250,000 920,000 27%
4. Carpet, floor, & tile installers & finishers 50,000 180,000 27%
4. Painters, construction & maintenance 170,000 630,000 27%
4. Maids & housekeeping cleaners 425,000 1,760,000 24%
7. Brickmasons, blockmasons, & stonemasons 40,000 160,000 24%
7. Sewing machine operators 45,000 200,000 22%
9. Construction laborers 425,000 2,020,000 21%
10. Laundry & dry cleaning workers 40,000 210,000 20%
11. Packaging & filling machine operators & tenders 60,000 300,000 19%
12. Packers and packagers, hand 110,000 560,000 19%
12. Ground maintenance workers 300,000 1,540,000 19%
12. Dishwashers 65,000 400,000 17%
15. Carpenters 220,000 1,320,000 16%
16. Butchers & other meat, poultry, & fish processing workers 45,000 290,000 16%
16. Food cooking machine operators & tenders 25,000 160,000 15%
18. Bakers 40,000 250,000 15%
18. Cooks 400,000 2,640,000 15%
18. Cleaners of vehicles & equipment 55,000 430,000 13%
21. Painting workers 20,000 150,000 12%
22. Dining room & cafeteria attendants & bartender helpers 45,000 390,000 12%
22. Chefs & head cooks 55,000 480,000 11%
24. Automotive body & related repairers 15,000 140,000 10%
25. Janitors & building cleaners 275,000 2,770,000 10%
25. Food preparation workers 110,000 1,160,000 10%
25. Supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, & groundskeeping workers 15,000 170,000 10%
Total civilian labor force (with an occupation) 7,700,000 161,420,000 5%

 

[Mumbles]

Frankly I would prefer that the concentration camps were closed altogether and the children released to caretakers while their asylum cases were in process.

That'd be best. Honestly, I'm not surprised in the slightest to discover that the administration headed by the guy that wanted the "Central Park 5" killed, frequently alluded to mob violence against nonviolent protestors, and repeatedly referred to nonwhite people as unamerican at best and vermin at worst, would simply decide to be as cruel as possible to nonwhite children - and I suspect he's pleased by the deaths to date. White supremacists of his nature are not known for their empathy.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I wish someone would challenge the legislators and Trump saying asylum seekers should apply from their own countries and wait there for processing.

How ignorant is that? Why has no one called them on it?

Sure, you're fleeing for your life, just hang out and see if the US will accept you before you leave.

 

[Darat]

Wow, while reading that I felt a need to twirl my moustache!

And again it's almost comical how often the excuses of "it could be worse" and "we are better when compared to the worse of the worse" is used. Such ambition, such vision!

 

[NWO Sentryman]

You’re writing fiction again.

I don’t suppose you care to support your claim about most Mexicans with any kind of evidence?

The wikipedia article about reconquista. The whole "nobody is illegal on stolen land!" Talking point which is "the us is a fundamentally illegitimate institution!", both of which paint very ugly outcomes.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Nothing about the current migration wave is new: in the past, some significant fraction of Americans have reacted exactly the same to the Italians, the Irish, the Poles, etc.
All of them were accused of the same things as people from Latin America are now.

Except this time, it's with a country that has a land border, and there is a strong irredentist sentiment in Mexico. History has shown multiple times that it is a recipe for disaster (See: Kashmir, The Caucasus, The Carpathian Basin).

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Except this time, it's with a country that has a land border, and there is a strong irredentist sentiment in Mexico. History has shown multiple times that it is a recipe for disaster (See: Kashmir, The Caucasus, The Carpathian Basin).

your argument is that migrants from the South will try to return Texas to Mexico?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

your argument is that migrants from the South will try to return Texas to Mexico?

The Southwest is a major flashpoint for conflict.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I believe there are more visa overstayers than those crossing the southern border.

Assuming this data is valid (it might not be so if someone has any reliable information: Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally
Countries of Origin, States of Residence, Jobs Held, Age, and Gender

Where are they from:

Probably the majority from Brazil are not coming across the southern border.
Where do they work:

And the point of your statistical diarrhea is what, exactly? That in a thread that is explicitly about the crisis at the southern border I should be talking about Asian visa overstays because if I don't then that proves I am racist?

For the record (again):

I am against all illegal immigration

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The Southwest is a major flashpoint for conflict.

yes, because of the large number of heavily armed right-right militias.

not because of separatists seeking to join Mexico.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

yes, because of the large number of heavily armed right-right militias.

not because of separatists seeking to join Mexico.

Except the former will probably lead to more of the latter, especially since most of them view America as "Stolen Land", in rhetoric similar to France after 1871, or Kashmir, or Ukraine/Baltics. Diverse societies are more fractured and more polarised. What makes America Exempt?

 

[Craig4]

They're not concentration camps.

Why do you keep telling that lie?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Except the former will probably lead to more of the latter, especially since most of them view America as "Stolen Land", in rhetoric similar to France after 1871, or Kashmir, or Ukraine/Baltics. Diverse societies are more fractured and more polarised. What makes America Exempt?

nope.


There is a clear pattern that the most anti-immigrant parts of a country are those with the least migrant population.
Racists don't need to have any actual grievance to be racists.

 

[Upchurch]

Except the former will probably lead to more of the latter, especially since most of them view America as "Stolen Land", in rhetoric similar to France after 1871, or Kashmir, or Ukraine/Baltics.

What is your evidence for what these refugees think?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

nope.


There is a clear pattern that the most anti-immigrant parts of a country are those with the least migrant population.
Racists don't need to have any actual grievance to be racists.

And as we all know, the diverse communities of Libya, Syria, Myanmar and Yugoslavia all pulled together as one when crisis hit. Californian law enforcement still back neo-nazis, the LAPD gives the deep south a run for their money in the racism department, and less said about Baltimore the better. People will talk of how ethnic food brings them together and pay lip service to multiculturalism, until the first sign of trouble.

So why is Japan more cohesive than Syria? Why is India becoming more and more fractured? Why did the Soviet Union, one of the most multicultural nations to ever exist, stagnate and fall apart? If Diversity is a strength, then they should be thriving.