2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker

[The Atheist]

He just chose Pence out of the blue?

No, I'd say Pence was chosen deliberately to appeal to evangelicals. That's another reason why I think Trump didn't expect to be quite the darling he is to that set.

Handy coincidence, really.

Well there you go again, slipping in there that you would vote for Trump over Biden.

I'm not "slipping it in", it's the entire argument!

I think Biden is a joke candidate who will certainly lose to Trump.

I also think if the Democratic Party is serious about the next 50 years, they need to present someone who isn't Trump-lite, which is what I think Biden is.

I thought this summed up Biden perfectly:

I have read your posts. I don't think they read the way you believe they do.

I get that a lot. Reading comprehension is crap in the 21st century.

 

[Cabbage]

And another one who actually has no idea what he's arguing about.

Remember, this is about a choice between Trump & Biden.

One hired Pence as his Veep.

The other praises Pence as a good guy.

I wouldn't see it as a big enough reason to vote Biden.

LOL! It was quite clearly about Trump, Pence, and LGBT rights. Sure, Biden was brought up way back before, but the current discussion is quite clearly Trump/Pence. Here, allow me to refresh your memory:

LGBT rights? I see that as more coming from Pence & others in the establishment than Trump and can't blame him for it. It might well be his lack of hatred for them has actually partly checked the Republican anti-gay agenda. There have been some notable LGBT appointments is the administration under Trump that you wouldn't expect from a Republican.

Encouraging political violence is a fair cop. His attacks on Omar have been appalling.

followed by

So the results of Trump whoring himself to the Evangelicals for votes doesn't count as Trump's responsibility?

And this belief of yours that you are left of Trotsky? Your posts don't agree.

and then we get that little gem of yours when you imply Trump isn't worth complaining about (with respect to LGBT rights) because Pence would be so much worse:

And another classic example of irrational loony lefty thinking!

Can you not see how much worse things would have been with a true homophobe in charge?

Can you not accept that if Pence were President, everything on the LGBT front would be far worse than it is, not to mention other areas he might have been much worse than Trump.

You're blaming Trump for everything, despite the fact he might be better than other Republicans. Trump derangement syndrome rears its ugly head.

He is not to blame for all the world's problems, and as far as his election goes, you can blame the Democrats for 100% of it.

...which is where I came in, pointing out the obvious: Pence would be worse, but that does not make Trump acceptable or immune from criticism.

Note: Not a single reference to Biden in sight! You merely changed the subject in a desperate attempt to hide your BS being exposed for all to see.

Hilarious!

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I see no reason whatsoever to think that Pence would be worse than Trump;

Republicans hate Trump's agenda, but they go along for fear of being primaried.
They hate Pence's agenda, but they won't be scared of him.

 

[Cabbage]

I see no reason whatsoever to think that Pence would be worse than Trump;

Republicans hate Trump's agenda, but they go along for fear of being primaried.
They hate Pence's agenda, but they won't be scared of him.

Oh, I think Trump would be worse too, overall, but with respect to LGBT rights I think Pence would outworse him.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Oh, I think Trump would be worse too, overall, but with respect to LGBT rights I think Pence would outworse him.

would try to be worse than him, but there would be more unified resistance and less unified support.

 

[Cabbage]

would try to be worse than him, but there would be more unified resistance and less unified support.

I'm not so sure. Certainly, Trump has more of a charisma/cult of personality thing going for him than Pence does. That makes him more effective in unifying the GOP with respect to things that they previously opposed, such as tariffs. On the other hand, the GOP was already anti-LGBT rights well before now--A charismatic leader isn't necessary to unify the GOP on that front: They're already there. Throw in the fact that Pence is a more experienced and more competent leader than Trump and I give Pence the edge in this one.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

you might be right.

But on the other hand, there is no real data supporting the idea that Pence is competent at politics: more competent than Trump, sure, but so is yeast.
The only thing that Pence has going for him is is religious fanaticism: he was a bad Governor, and didn't manage to get his agendas past the courts.
He is holier-than-thou but nothing else.
He and his closest supporters assume that Jesus will literally take the reigns for him, should he ever become President.

 

[The Atheist]

Note: Not a single reference to Biden in sight! You merely changed the subject in a desperate attempt to hide your BS being exposed for all to see.

Another one incapable of following the discussion - the subject was always Trump v Biden. I've been saying since before he officially joined the campaign that he was the worst possible choice.

Again, my posts are abundantly clear, including the one during the discussion where I stated Warren is the best of the candidates and one I would support.

Biden just keeps on trucking, and if you think he's better than Trump, feel free.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/...our-sister-should-we-stop-saying-this-to-boys

 

[Mumbles]

I see no reason whatsoever to think that Pence would be worse than Trump;

Republicans hate Trump's agenda, but they go along for fear of being primaried.
They hate Pence's agenda, but they won't be scared of him.

Dolt 45's only real agenda appears to be "harm women and minority groups". This is perfectly in line with the christian right, which was mostly formed due to anger at desegregation, as well as those officials that are pushing voter suppression bills. The rest of the GOP is disgusted, though.

 

[Belz...]

Dolt 45's only real agenda appears to be "harm women and minority groups".

I don't think he really cares about them one way or another. Tools for him, like the rest of us. He does seem, however, to have a particularily dismissive, condescending tone when it comes to those groups.

 

[The Atheist]

The rest of the GOP is disgusted, though.

Evidence?

I would say the exact opposite - that "power, regardless of morality" is much more their stance.

 

[Mumbles]

Evidence?

I would say the exact opposite - that "power, regardless of morality" is much more their stance.

Nah, you're last reply to me convinced me that I was right to think that you weren't being honest. No further responses.

 

[The Atheist]

No worries.

You made a claim the GOP is disgusted with Trump, with no evidence at all, and despite his popularity rating being unchanged since before his election.

What's that you were saying about honesty?

(I note it was also you who posted that Trump was responsible for the Christchurch massacre - again without evidence.)

 

[theprestige]

No worries.

You made a claim the GOP is disgusted with Trump, with no evidence at all, and despite his popularity rating being unchanged since before his election.

What's that you were saying about honesty?

(I note it was also you who posted that Trump was responsible for the Christchurch massacre - again without evidence.)

The GOP, meaning the party establishment, does seem pretty disgusted with Trump. There's a whole never Trump faction that would rather shill for Dems than re elect Trump.

The GOP's problem is that however much they'd rather have one of their own in office, voters like him.

 

[Cabbage]

Another one incapable of following the discussion - the subject was always Trump v Biden. I've been saying since before he officially joined the campaign that he was the worst possible choice.

Again, my posts are abundantly clear, including the one during the discussion where I stated Warren is the best of the candidates and one I would support.

Biden just keeps on trucking, and if you think he's better than Trump, feel free.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/...our-sister-should-we-stop-saying-this-to-boys

Nevertheless, the current and specific topic at the time was LGBT rights and Trump/Pence.

What's hilarious is you've never even bothered to explain precisely where Biden fits into this part of the discussion!!

...nor have you supported your initial implication that Trump isn't worth complaining about with respect to LGBT rights...because you are wrong and deflection is now your only recourse.

 

[Cabbage]

LOL! It was quite clearly about Trump, Pence, and LGBT rights. Sure, Biden was brought up way back before, but the current discussion is quite clearly Trump/Pence. Here, allow me to refresh your memory:



followed by



and then we get that little gem of yours when you imply Trump isn't worth complaining about (with respect to LGBT rights) because Pence would be so much worse:



...which is where I came in, pointing out the obvious: Pence would be worse, but that does not make Trump acceptable or immune from criticism.

Note: Not a single reference to Biden in sight! You merely changed the subject in a desperate attempt to hide your BS being exposed for all to see.

Hilarious!

Show me specifically where Biden is relevant in this discussion.

Thanks!

 

[The Atheist]

The GOP, meaning the party establishment, does seem pretty disgusted with Trump. There's a whole never Trump faction that would rather shill for Dems than re elect Trump.

An extreme;y small minority.

In general, the Republicans are still crawling up his backside every chance they get.

What's hilarious is you've never even bothered to explain precisely where Biden fits into this part of the discussion!!

It always amuses me when people can't understand a very simple discussion.

The entire discussion was always about why I would vote for Trump over Biden, because it's on record I'd support any other Democratic candidate, and particularly Elizabeth Warren.

The only reason Trump's record came up is because I say Biden is so little of an improvement on Trump that I'd keep Trump for the LULZ factor.

The joy of forums is, it's all there for you to check. All nicely in chronological order.

Evidence is a bitch.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

.... I say Biden is so little of an improvement on Trump that I'd keep Trump for the LULZ factor....

And you completely ignored posts with the opinion, no, Trump is so bad that voting for him rather than Biden suggests you are ignoring a whole lot of the bad things Trump is doing and might do.

 

[The Atheist]

And you completely ignored posts with the opinion, no, Trump is so bad that voting for him rather than Biden suggests you are ignoring a whole lot of the bad things Trump is doing and might do.

See, I look at it the other way around - picking Biden over Trump is ignoring 30 years of Biden's baggage, support for anti-abortions bills, the Iraq war, and Wall Street, just to name a few.

Trump's a moron - Biden's a cynical hypocrite.

 

[Faydra]

See, I look at it the other way around - picking Biden over Trump is ignoring 30 years of Biden's baggage, support for anti-abortions bills, the Iraq war, and Wall Street, just to name a few.

Trump's a moron - Biden's a cynical hypocrite.

Even if both were true, my vote goes to Biden.