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Are we expecting a massive die off in white people between 2016 and 2020? If not... what's your point?

The Dems have got to get over this. At least looking into the whys of as to why certain demographics didn't vote for you isn't the same as validating their irrational fears or otherwise selling yourself out.

"Those votes are gone forever, there's no point in even trying to get them back... no scratch that those people are so horrible we don't even want their votes!" is a horrible mentality for the losing side to have.

I'm completely unconvinced that it is. People generally vote based on party affiliation and vague understandings more than anything else. That white people voted for the republican is not a shock at all. Happens in every election, things only move at the margins. That black voters waited for hours to vote for Clinton, likewise, is no shock. That Jewish people heavily favored Clinton is also no shock.

Putting aside Comey's interference (which almost certainly cost Clinton the election alone, just looking at polling) was Dems are much better off asking why their demographics didn't vote.. And in truth, voter suppression by republicans was likely more than enough here, it could have been misplaced resentment over the 94 crime bill, which she got some blame for despite playing no part in.

But people voting Republican to "tear the system down"? Please. The one demographic group that went for him, is the same group that has benefited from "the system" the most.

ETA: And in truth, Dolt 45 mostly declared his intention to reinforce said system - when he wasn't just tossing out empty promises ("Your health care will be great and cheap, and it'll be so easy.") Hell, even his damn slogan was a promise to not change things. *At best*, "Make America Great Again" is a whine that Obama had changed things too much.
 
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P.S. maybe do an honest self-inventory and find out what's feeding your embrace of authoritarianism.

I was going to bother responding to your points until I got to the last sentence and realised that you haven't bothered looking at my posts. This is self-evident by the number of times I've posted that I'm somewhere left of Trotsky.

A beautiful example of liberal knee-jerk nonsense.

Other harms he has caused:

- the cause of reversing global warming
- US election system, by failing to stand up to Russia and actually encouraging foreign interference
- LGBT*.* rights
- people who were victimized by his encouraging political violence

I could go on at length but I'll leave it at that for now.

Ah, an honest answer! I'll have a look.

AGW - yes, he has given the appearance of damaging mitigation, but I'm not so sure it's actually a problem. What harm he's done is being undone by the increase in oil prices - directly attributable to his administration - which makes alternative energy more economically viable. Trump's support of fossil fuel and war might actually be a big help.

The US election system? Really? Isn't that more a Senate and Congress problem? If he's broken rules, I'd expect to see some action by those institutions.

LGBT rights? I see that as more coming from Pence & others in the establishment than Trump and can't blame him for it. It might well be his lack of hatred for them has actually partly checked the Republican anti-gay agenda. There have been some notable LGBT appointments is the administration under Trump that you wouldn't expect from a Republican.

Encouraging political violence is a fair cop. His attacks on Omar have been appalling.
 
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LGBT rights? I see that as more coming from Pence & others in the establishment than Trump and can't blame him for it....
So the results of Trump whoring himself to the Evangelicals for votes doesn't count as Trump's responsibility? :rolleyes:

And this belief of yours that you are left of Trotsky? Your posts don't agree.
 
I was going to bother responding to your points until I got to the last sentence and realised that you haven't bothered looking at my posts. This is self-evident by the number of times I've posted that I'm somewhere left of Trotsky.



A beautiful example of liberal knee-jerk nonsense.

Your history of making lefty posts doesn't mean you aren't taking an authoritarian turn.

Mostly I think you're giving yourself a reason not to check.
 
Universities have a duty to protect students from menaces like Milo.

And there you have it, folks - a prime reason to despise the loony left.

I think universities have exactly the opposite point - students should be protected from no views at all.

Even christian universities invite the Dawkinses of the world to speak - the entire point of university speaking is to challenge the listeners. It's little wonder the term "snowflake" has so much power in 2019.

So the results of Trump whoring himself to the Evangelicals for votes doesn't count as Trump's responsibility? :rolleyes:

And another classic example of irrational loony lefty thinking!

Can you not see how much worse things would have been with a true homophobe in charge?

Can you not accept that if Pence were President, everything on the LGBT front would be far worse than it is, not to mention other areas he might have been much worse than Trump.

You're blaming Trump for everything, despite the fact he might be better than other Republicans. Trump derangement syndrome rears its ugly head.

He is not to blame for all the world's problems, and as far as his election goes, you can blame the Democrats for 100% of it.

Should I blame them for all of the problems Trump has caused? If they hadn't been so stupid as to pick the only living American less popular than Trump, we would not be having this discussion.

Here's an interesting piece on why the Democratic Party is so backward-thinking: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/there-should-be-age-limit-presidents/591724/

And this belief of yours that you are left of Trotsky? Your posts don't agree.

Only if you don't read them properly.

Anyway, my posts are irrelevant - I'm a believer that actions speak more clearly than words and I've given my life to the left.

And in public, just so there are no stories that can't be proven.

If you can't deal with someone on your own side who doesn't agree with you 100%, what chance do you have in convincing the "other" side?
 
Even christian universities invite the Dawkinses of the world to speak - the entire point of university speaking is to challenge the listeners. It's little wonder the term "snowflake" has so much power in 2019.

Things are different than 60 years ago. Years ago, University was dominated by the groups with the most power and representation. Speakers would have been either from that group or not be able to reasonably threaten it.

Increased diversity combined with the growing evangelism and assocation of evangelicals with a political party (that is less popular but has outsized political power) has changed that. An anti immigrant or ant LGBT speaker questioning the equality of the student body while representing a center of power is a far different message than what a room full of while male Protestant students decades ago would have experienced.
 
So the results of Trump whoring himself to the Evangelicals for votes doesn't count as Trump's responsibility? : rolleyes :

The dreaded rolleyes.

Your complaint is circular. The result of Trump courting the Evangelical vote is that he got the evangelical vote.

I'm not sure you understand what Evangelicals actually are. What other results did you have in mind?
 
And there you have it, folks - a prime reason to despise the loony left.
Trump has married the Evangelicals to get their votes. It's not like he was a closet Evangelical. What do you call it?

I think universities have exactly the opposite point - students should be protected from no views at all.

Even christian universities invite the Dawkinses of the world to speak - the entire point of university speaking is to challenge the listeners. It's little wonder the term "snowflake" has so much power in 2019.
Dawkins has views that might anger people but he doesn't call people he doesn't agree with, fat pigs.

Milo and his ilk set out to get the attention of the media. No one would pay attention to any of them for their right wing opinions so they try to trigger reactions to them with things like calling people fat pigs. Milo Yiannopoulos
Mitchell Sunderland from Vice News emailed Yiannopoulos a link to an article by Lindy West of The New York Times, and requested: "Please mock this fat feminist." The report also included a video of Yiannopoulos singing "America the Beautiful" at a karaoke bar, where a crowd of neo-Nazis and white supremacists, including Saucier and Richard B. Spencer, cheered him with the Nazi sieg heil salute.[52]

It's such a false equivalence to pretend this is about conflicting ideas. :rolleyes:


And another classic example of irrational loony lefty thinking!

Can you not see how much worse things would have been with a true homophobe in charge?

Can you not accept that if Pence were President, everything on the LGBT front would be far worse than it is, not to mention other areas he might have been much worse than Trump.
Huh? Your measure is it could be worse than Trump?

You're blaming Trump for everything, despite the fact he might be better than other Republicans. Trump derangement syndrome rears its ugly head.

He is not to blame for all the world's problems, and as far as his election goes, you can blame the Democrats for 100% of it.

Should I blame them for all of the problems Trump has caused? If they hadn't been so stupid as to pick the only living American less popular than Trump, we would not be having this discussion.
When out of ideas, revert to straw men. Except, **** yeah I blame Trump. That highlighted sentence, :eek: They are his accomplices. I find it hard to believe someone claiming to be left politically thinks Trump is being picked on and isn't really that bad.

Here's an interesting piece on why the Democratic Party is so backward-thinking: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/there-should-be-age-limit-presidents/591724/
From your link;
the only 70-something among the GOP leadership on the Hill is the 77-year-old Mitch McConnell (I’m omitting the constitutional office of president pro tempore of the Senate, now occupied by the Republican Chuck Grassley, who is 85 but doesn’t look a day over 86.)

Both parties could benefit from generational progress. Are you forgetting how old Trump is? This is one reason I do NOT support Biden or Sanders. And Pelosi was embarrassing when she told AOC that the Green New Deal was naive. She should have invited AOC for a discussion in private and debated the pros and cons, show AOC that Pelosi knew her political stuff instead of talking down to her.

Only if you don't read them properly.

Anyway, my posts are irrelevant - I'm a believer that actions speak more clearly than words and I've given my life to the left.
And in public, just so there are no stories that can't be proven.

If you can't deal with someone on your own side who doesn't agree with you 100%, what chance do you have in convincing the "other" side?
Well there you go, pretend this is about a couple of differences and you don't have to look in that mirror.

You're right, it doesn't matter what you post. But don't expect the contradictions to be ignored.
 
And there you have it, folks - a prime reason to despise the loony left.



I think universities have exactly the opposite point - students should be protected from no views at all.

His "views" were not what was objected to.

Your straw man needs a lot more stuffing to work.



Even christian universities invite the Dawkinses of the world to speak - the entire point of university speaking is to challenge the listeners. It's little wonder the term "snowflake" has so much power in 2019.

Do these speakers expose private behaviors of students that will get them targeted?

How many supporters of these speakers have brought and fired weapons at these events?

Labeling people "snowflake" for having entirely valid physical life safety concerns.

No, you're not embracing a "strong crush weak!" mentality at all. Noooo sir.

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And there you have it, folks - a prime reason to despise the loony left.

No, this is pretty standard among Universities. "You're a fag/spic/cracker/<n-word>" is not a valid academic topic. It won't help you compare DNA samples, it won't help you understand Shakespeare, it won't aid in a sociological study.

I think universities have exactly the opposite point - students should be protected from no views at all.

Oh great. Then you'll have no problem with an extended discussion about how you should be shot in the face, and how I intend to do so at the first available opportunity.

This, of course, is transparently stupid, as what I wrote above, much like Milo's "speeches" are nothing more than threats, with no possible value to society except as a warning.

Or did you pay no attention at all to the description of Milo's "speeches" that I provided?

Even christian universities invite the Dawkinses of the world to speak - the entire point of university speaking is to challenge the listeners. It's little wonder the term "snowflake" has so much power in 2019.

It has no real power, since the people who use it the most, also tend to whine the most when their worldview or political and social power are challenged in any way. Also, this is on no relevance to what Milo was doing, as Milo is in no way an academic, or anything other than a child rapist enabling buffoon who enjoys threatening others. So don't compare him to an actual academic like Dawkins, you only show that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about again.

And another classic example of irrational loony lefty thinking!

Can you not see how much worse things would have been with a true homophobe in charge?

I don't know about Ginger, but I see no difference between Dolt 45 and a "true homophobe".

You're blaming Trump for everything, despite the fact he might be better than other Republicans. Trump derangement syndrome rears its ugly head.

Bill Weld.

Bill Weld is a republican who would be vastly superior on LGBT rights.

He is not to blame for all the world's problems, and as far as his election goes, you can blame the Democrats for 100% of it.

I tend towards personal responsibility. Dolt 45 is responsible for his own anti-LGBT actions, and his election is rightly blamed on the people who voted for him.
 
LGBT rights? I see that as more coming from Pence & others in the establishment than Trump and can't blame him for it. It might well be his lack of hatred for them has actually partly checked the Republican anti-gay agenda. There have been some notable LGBT appointments is the administration under Trump that you wouldn't expect from a Republican.




After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......

....Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming.....

....victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you



---Trump Tweet

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...eets-transgender-military-service-ban/579655/
 
Can you not see how much worse things would have been with a true homophobe in charge?

I agree that a true homophobe (such as Pence) would be much, much worse than Trump for LGBT. Is it your intention to claim (once again, according to your "logic") that as long as it could be worse....then there's simply nothing worth complaining about???

Because that's what you just did claim.
 
The dreaded rolleyes.

Your complaint is circular. The result of Trump courting the Evangelical vote is that he got the evangelical vote.

I'm not sure you understand what Evangelicals actually are. What other results did you have in mind?

I have no idea what point you are even attempting to make. Yes, Trump courted the Evangelical vote. Yes, that resulted in Evangelicals voting for Trump.

...But that does not grant him immunity for actions he has taken against the LGBT community to placate the Evangelicals. He's still responsible for that, you know.
 

Funny thing about that.

Gen Joseph Dunford (USMC), Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when asked about transgender troops: "Any individual who meets the physical and mental standards and is worldwide deployable and is currently serving should be afforded the opportunity to continue to serve."

Gen Mark Milley (USA), Chief of Staff of the Army speaking to Congress "I've received precisely zero reports of issues of cohesion, discipline, morale and all those sorts of things as a result of the presence of transgender troops."

Gen Rober Neller (USMC), Commandant of the Marine Corps "As long as they do so (speaking of meeting other standards) they'll continue to wear this uniform and serve their country.”

Adm John Richardson (USN), Chief of Naval Operations "Every one of those Navy sailors regardless with dignity and respect that is warranted by wearing the uniform of the United States Navy.”

Gen David Goldfein (USAF), Chief of Staff of Air Force "No issues with unit cohesion" and that transgender service-members have "the same commitment to serve."
 
Funny thing about that.

Gen Joseph Dunford (USMC), Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when asked about transgender troops: "Any individual who meets the physical and mental standards and is worldwide deployable and is currently serving should be afforded the opportunity to continue to serve."

Gen Mark Milley (USA), Chief of Staff of the Army speaking to Congress "I've received precisely zero reports of issues of cohesion, discipline, morale and all those sorts of things as a result of the presence of transgender troops."

Gen Rober Neller (USMC), Commandant of the Marine Corps "As long as they do so (speaking of meeting other standards) they'll continue to wear this uniform and serve their country.”

Adm John Richardson (USN), Chief of Naval Operations "Every one of those Navy sailors regardless with dignity and respect that is warranted by wearing the uniform of the United States Navy.”

Gen David Goldfein (USAF), Chief of Staff of Air Force "No issues with unit cohesion" and that transgender service-members have "the same commitment to serve."



Oh, sure, I'm not claiming that Trump was telling the truth in any way, mind you. Merely pointing out an example of his homophobia, which evidently some of us are blind to.
 
Trump has married the Evangelicals to get their votes. It's not like he was a closet Evangelical. What do you call it?

Opportunity.

I'd say he had no idea whatsoever that he'd be the chosen one of the evangelicals. He's joining a field of Republicans and avlowed, demonstrable christians - I'd say he never counted them as voting for him at any time - a partying, philandering, porn movie-making Antichrist.

More power to him for playing it, though.

Milo and his ilk set out to get the attention of the media. No one would pay attention to any of them for their right wing opinions so they try to trigger reactions to them with things like calling people fat pigs. Milo Yiannopoulos

The point you're missing is that not too many people get to speak at universities, and Milo Yiannopoulos is someone who would never have gained an invite, because the spots were reserved for achievers. As you note, Milo is a complete and utter fabrication of the right; he failed to get a degree twice; his "career" if you could dignify it with that word, is writing racist garbage for the online equivalent of the Inquirer.

Even then, if you're dumb enough to want him to speak -let him go, but have a discussion with a moderator and opposing view.

Huh? Your measure is it could be worse than Trump?

Remember, we're talkijng about Biden v Trump here. I've stated many times that others - particularly Warren - are far better candidates and I'd have no problem supporting her.

In the case of Trump v Biden, it's not something that would put me off Trump.

And yes, could - and would - be a lot worse under Pence is both true and viable.

You're right, it doesn't matter what you post. But don't expect the contradictions to be ignored.

If you've actually read my posts, you'd be aware there are no contradictions and I'm quite happy with it all. You're just guilty of not thinking it all the way through.

Do these speakers expose private behaviors of students that will get them targeted?

Has it broken a law?

If so, deal with it.

If not, deal with it.

How many supporters of these speakers have brought and fired weapons at these events?

See above.

Labeling people "snowflake" for having entirely valid physical life safety concerns.

Yeah, heck, I wouldn't want anyone to get triggered.

Also, see above.

No, you're not embracing a "strong crush weak!" mentality at all. Noooo sir.

Complete miss, but nice try.

No, this is pretty standard among Universities. "You're a fag/spic/cracker/<n-word>" is not a valid academic topic.

Then why would you invite him?

Oh great. Then you'll have no problem with an extended discussion about how you should be shot in the face, and how I intend to do so at the first available opportunity.
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You might like to learn the difference between a discussion and a threat.

Hint: one is illegal and can get people sent to jail.

Isn't that why we have laws?

Or did you pay no attention at all to the description of Milo's "speeches" that I provided?

No need - I have several articles on Milo about the internet and none of them are at all favourable. He's an upper-class Tommy Robinson.

I'd debate him any day of the week.

Also, this is on no relevance to what Milo was doing, as Milo is in no way an academic, or anything other than a child rapist enabling buffoon who enjoys threatening others.

Bingo!

So don't compare him to an actual academic like Dawkins, you only show that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about again.

Ok, Swap Dawkins for Muhammad Ali, who was the most-hated man in America at the time he spoke to several universities and was actually out on bail, as opposed to Yiannopoulos, who hasn't been charged with any crimes I'm aware of.

I used Dawkins because I'm not a member of his fan club, and typing anything about Ali when discussing a piece of puke like Milo makes me feel a bit dirty.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Bill Weld is a republican who would be vastly superior on LGBT rights.

And what's his public rating like? Is he standing against trump in 2020?

I agree that a true homophobe (such as Pence) would be much, much worse than Trump for LGBT. Is it your intention to claim (once again, according to your "logic") that as long as it could be worse....then there's simply nothing worth complaining about???

Because that's what you just did claim.

And another one who actually has no idea what he's arguing about.

Remember, this is about a choice between Trump & Biden.

One hired Pence as his Veep.

The other praises Pence as a good guy.

I wouldn't see it as a big enough reason to vote Biden.
 
Opportunity.

I'd say he had no idea whatsoever that he'd be the chosen one of the evangelicals. He's joining a field of Republicans and avlowed, demonstrable christians - I'd say he never counted them as voting for him at any time - a partying, philandering, porn movie-making Antichrist.

More power to him for playing it, though.
He just chose Pence out of the blue? :sdl:

The point you're missing is that not too many people get to speak at universities, and Milo Yiannopoulos is someone who would never have gained an invite, because the spots were reserved for achievers. As you note, Milo is a complete and utter fabrication of the right; he failed to get a degree twice; his "career" if you could dignify it with that word, is writing racist garbage for the online equivalent of the Inquirer.

Even then, if you're dumb enough to want him to speak -let him go, but have a discussion with a moderator and opposing view.
What point did I miss and what is the point of this post?

Remember, we're talkijng about Biden v Trump here. I've stated many times that others - particularly Warren - are far better candidates and I'd have no problem supporting her.

In the case of Trump v Biden, it's not something that would put me off Trump.

And yes, could - and would - be a lot worse under Pence is both true and viable.
Well there you go again, slipping in there that you would vote for Trump over Biden.

I do believe we've been down this road.

If you've actually read my posts, you'd be aware there are no contradictions and I'm quite happy with it all. You're just guilty of not thinking it all the way through.
I have read your posts. I don't think they read the way you believe they do.
 
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