• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

The Trump Presidency 14

Status
Not open for further replies.
Trump Tweets:
Iran to defy Uranium Stockpile Limits

Well, that was certainly expected. Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Iranian nuclear deal. He's also been threatening western countries that have decided to do the diplomatic thing and continue respecting the deal with Iran (including allowing trading with them).

Iran should not have nuclear weapons. But, I have to admit, I'm actually split on this. Trump broke a deal, and seeing his actions have blowback is a good thing.

ETA: Ninjad.
 
The point is, you only need to get to 5% of his support to make the difference between President for Life and a new one next year.

Yeah, but I think pretty much all of them know that he has done that.

Now if you had a 4-minute video of him saying stuff like:

- Pennsylvanians are gullible rubes who are so pinheaded that they make WestVirginians look smart.
-I cant believe the average American is dumb enough to fall for my cries of fake news.
- I couldn’t quote a Bible verse to save my soul, but I step onstage and say “Nobody loves the Bible more than I do” and the suckers lap it up faster than I can ladle it out.



Then you might move a few electoral votes away from the Oval Office Con Man.
 
Yeah, but I think pretty much all of them know that he has done that.

Now if you had a 4-minute video of him saying stuff like:

- Pennsylvanians are gullible rubes who are so pinheaded that they make WestVirginians look smart.

Then you might move a few electoral votes away from the Oval Office Con Man.

November 15, 2015. Fort Dodge, Iowa. Trump, and this is a direct quote: "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" to a crowd of people from Iowa and national television cameras.

November 8, 2016. Trump wins Iowa in a landslide, winning it by an almost 10% spread, the largest margin of win he had in any state that had voted for Obama in 2012. So I guess that answers that question.
 
Now if you had a 4-minute video of him saying stuff like:

- Pennsylvanians are gullible rubes who are so pinheaded that they make WestVirginians look smart.
-I cant believe the average American is dumb enough to fall for my cries of fake news.
- I couldn’t quote a Bible verse to save my soul, but I step onstage and say “Nobody loves the Bible more than I do” and the suckers lap it up faster than I can ladle it out.


For quite a while now, I've been picturing Danny DeVito's portrayal of Penguin in the second Batman movie, when his political career was ruined by a recording of him boasting about deceiving "the pinhead puppets of Gotham" and "playing this stinking town like a harp from Hell."

These days, it would just be dismissed as "fake news" and his supporters would ignore it.
 
November 15, 2015. Fort Dodge, Iowa. Trump, and this is a direct quote: "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" to a crowd of people from Iowa and national television cameras.

November 8, 2016. Trump wins Iowa in a landslide, winning it by an almost 10% spread, the largest margin of win he had in any state that had voted for Obama in 2012. So I guess that answers that question.

Trump called his own voters stupid, and they stupidly voted for him anyway. That takes a certain kind of special.
 
Yeah, but I think pretty much all of them know that he has done that.

Now if you had a 4-minute video of him saying stuff like:

- Pennsylvanians are gullible rubes who are so pinheaded that they make WestVirginians look smart.
-I cant believe the average American is dumb enough to fall for my cries of fake news.
- I couldn’t quote a Bible verse to save my soul, but I step onstage and say “Nobody loves the Bible more than I do” and the suckers lap it up faster than I can ladle it out.



Then you might move a few electoral votes away from the Oval Office Con Man.

He already says these things, to their faces, and they applaud him, so I doubt it.
 
And this is what I mentioned earlier (either in this thread or one of the tangential ones about Trump.)

The one thing, the one thing Trump gets about America in that shriveled, deformed, and misplaced third testicle that passes for his brain is that there was an unspoken, untalked about, desire among a lot of Americans to have someone, anyone, just talk to them in some language that wasn't political doublespeak, focus grouped B.S. There was a chunk of American essentially someone, anyone "Lie to me, insult me, just don't be a pussy. Don't talk the thing you said the second it polls poorly with a focus group. Be wrong, but be sure of yourself."

It's how Trump could stand in front of a crowd in Iowa, call them idiots, and win the state in a landslide while Hillary could stand up, lay a perfectly well thought out plan to get West Virginia off of coal as it's sole major industry, and someone do worst in West Virginia then Trump did with Mexicans after calling them rapists and killers.

Several political commentators have tried to make sense out of how it is possible for someone who provably and objectively lies with the consistency, frequency, and vigor that Trump does is so often heralded as his supporters as "being honest" or "genuine" or "keeping it real."

The best explanation for this is that "being honest" and all those other ways of phrasing it are actually trying to say I think is what many of them are trying to say is something slightly but importantly different.

Listen to any mainstream politician talk. Do you ever within a rounding error hear a politician speak in a public setting that wasn't the most inhuman, inauthentic, sound-bite ready, pre-prepared statement ever? A politician can't say hello to a baby without you just hearing the dozen of focus groups it was run through, the edges sanded off by multiple speech writers, the tone and context sifted through again and again.

And when they are done and finally speaking it sounds good, it sounds right, it sounds correct, it sounds beautiful, hell it even sounds honest for certain meanings of honest. What it doesn't sound like is authentic. Human. Off-the-cuff. Unprepared. Unfiltered.

When you work that hard to make sure you saying something the "right way" it never feel natural.

And I do think on some level people have been desperate for this authenticity. Politicians, even the ones we like, have felt so fake and phony for so long that when someone came along with LITERALLY NO FILTER people did gravitate to him.

We can bemoan it all we want but Trump connected with people on some level we didn't see coming and if we act like trying to understand that is just too good to dirty our souls with, we run a very, very good chance of losing again.
 
Last edited:
My humble (honest folks, it is humble, believe me) opinion is that Trump doesn't ever think about whether he's lying and doesn't consider that there would be any point in doing so. Rather, he just says what's most convenient at the time. My basis for this opinion is the number of times that his lies contradict his previous lies.

That's often the case. The lies are complex and can't all be lumped into one category.


When he said he'd take election help from foreign governments or he fired Comey for that Rusher thing. Those times he blurts out what he wants to be true then walks it back when the GOP freaks out.

But take the time he wrote the fake reply about the Tower meeting for Jr. He had to know he was making up that lie. Later he may well have believed it wasn't a lie.

And he has to know he's a business con, like selling Trump University enrollment and breaking the law making money of his government position.
 
And this is what I mentioned earlier (either in this thread or one of the tangential ones about Trump.)

The one thing, the one thing Trump gets about America in that shriveled, deformed, and misplaced third testicle that passes for his brain is that there was an unspoken, untalked about, desire among a lot of Americans to have someone, anyone, just talk to them in some language that wasn't political doublespeak, focus grouped B.S. There was a chunk of American essentially someone, anyone "Lie to me, insult me, just don't be a pussy. Don't talk the thing you said the second it polls poorly with a focus group. Be wrong, but be sure of yourself."

It's how Trump could stand in front of a crowd in Iowa, call them idiots, and win the state in a landslide while Hillary could stand up, lay a perfectly well thought out plan to get West Virginia off of coal as it's sole major industry, and someone do worst in West Virginia then Trump did with Mexicans after calling them rapists and killers.

Several political commentators have tried to make sense out of how it is possible for someone who provably and objectively lies with the consistency, frequency, and vigor that Trump does is so often heralded as his supporters as "being honest" or "genuine" or "keeping it real."

The best explanation for this is that "being honest" and all those other ways of phrasing it are actually trying to say I think is what many of them are trying to say is something slightly but importantly different.

Listen to any mainstream politician talk. Do you ever within a rounding error hear a politician speak in a public setting that wasn't the most inhuman, inauthentic, sound-bite ready, pre-prepared statement ever? A politician can't say hello to a baby without you just hearing the dozen of focus groups it was run through, the edges sanded off by multiple speech writers, the tone and context sifted through again and again.

And when they are done and finally speaking it sounds good, it sounds right, it sounds correct, it sounds beautiful, hell it even sounds honest for certain meanings of honest. What it doesn't sound like is authentic. Human. Off-the-cuff. Unprepared. Unfiltered.

When you work that hard to make sure you saying something the "right way" it never feel natural.

And I do think on some level people have been desperate for this authenticity. Politicians, even the ones we like, have felt so fake and phony for so long that when someone came along with LITERALLY NO FILTER people did gravitate to him.

We can bemoan it all we want but Trump connected with people on some level we didn't see coming and if we act like trying to understand that is just too good to dirty our souls with, we run a very, very good chance of losing again.

But Hilary said half if Trump supporters are deplorables, and we see how well that worked out.

An alternate explanation is that Trump appealed to a bunch of racists, who didn't care about his lies, just that he insulted the right minorities. Having lived in Iowa for more than 20 years, that's consistent with what I observed there.
 
But Hilary said half if Trump supporters are deplorables, and we see how well that worked out.

Yeah she did. And then immediately started groveling and apologizing for it. Same thing with the coal comment.

That's the difference.

With Democrats it's:

Democrats "You're stupid."
Response: "What did you say?!"
Democrats: "No wait... I misspoke. What I mean to say was...."

With Trump it's:

Trump: "You're an idiot."
Response: "What did you say?!"
Trump: "I said you're a goddamn idiot. What did I effing stutter? You're an idiot and probably a rapist too."

Now I'm not defending Trump speak, but it, or part of it or something it represents, is connecting with people on some level.

A sure of himself ******* is connecting with people in a way that "Say one thing, then immediately walk it back when a person sitting in a diner in Ohio says they don't like it" nice person is.
 
Yeah she did. And then immediately started groveling and apologizing for it. Same thing with the coal comment.

That's the difference.

With Democrats it's:

Democrats "You're stupid."
Response: "What did you say?!"
Democrats: "No wait... I misspoke. What I mean to say was...."

With Trump it's:

Trump: "You're an idiot."
Response: "What did you say?!"
Trump: "I said you're a goddamn idiot. What did I effing stutter? You're an idiot and probably a rapist too."

Now I'm not defending Trump speak, but it, or part of it or something it represents, is connecting with people on some level.

A sure of himself ******* is connecting with people in a way that "Say one thing, then immediately walk it back when a person sitting in a diner in Ohio says they don't like it" nice person is.

Well said indeed.

For some weird reason, Democrats often get embarrassed about the power that they have, while Republicans love to exploit the power that they have.

As a result, for that segment of the electorate who really do want their political leaders to bravely own and wield these powers, then these people are naturally drawn guys like Trump. The fact-of-the-matter is that there is almost always going to be a significant part of the electorate who really do love the 'take charge and kick ass' types, even when the 'take charge and kick ass types' are flushing the entire nation down the toilet.
 
And I said I like to think there is some level of direct self confidence that the Dems could tape into that doesn't cross the line into "authoritarian doucheturd."

We are not limited to milqtoast goobers and... Trump.
 
November 15, 2015. Fort Dodge, Iowa. Trump, and this is a direct quote: "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" to a crowd of people from Iowa and national television cameras.
Trump called his own voters stupid, and they stupidly voted for him anyway. That takes a certain kind of special.
I'm not from Iowa so if there's anyone from the state could you tell me:

Was there any follow-up by the Democrats from the state? With such a statement like that out there, you'd expect some PAC to basically be broadcasting it on every channel, every hour.

Or was the issue dropped by the democrats, so that his statement was long-forgotten?
 
Trump Tweets

One size doesn’t fit all - I support West Virginia Schools. Keep up the great work, @WVGovernor Big Jim Justice - I am with you!

Governor Jim Justice
Verified account
@WVGovernor
Just had a great conversation with @realDonaldTrump. We talked about our good public schools in WV and how he totally supports my plan for WV public schools. The President and I are bound at the hip, and he has done remarkable work that has been tremendously beneficial for WV!
 
Trump Tweets

One size doesn’t fit all - I support West Virginia Schools. Keep up the great work, @WVGovernor Big Jim Justice - I am with you!

Governor Jim Justice
Verified account
@WVGovernor
Just had a great conversation with @realDonaldTrump. We talked about our good public schools in WV and how he totally supports my plan for WV public schools. The President and I are bound at the hip, and he has done remarkable work that has been tremendously beneficial for WV!
44 out of 50, according to this article.
 
This is logically what would result from the there being no agreement. America tears up an agreement, puts massive new sanctions on Iran, then demands they have to make a new agreement. Something not making sense there.

It's how Trump thinks the world works. Hire a contractor, wait until the work is complete, refuse to pay and finally settle for fifty cents on the dollar.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom