London lesbians beaten for not kissing

[Puppycow]

Myself, I would hesitate to use the term violence for eggs, milkshakes or coin tossing.

We don't know if the intent of the coin tossing was to hit the women, or if that actually happened anyway. Earlier I speculated that the coins possibly were intended to be symbolic of paying them to kiss. In that case, hitting them with the coins might not be the goal. We just don't know, and the women don't say that they were hit by coins.

Throwing any object at a person (a stranger) seems like a very provocative act to say the least. The sort of act that is likely to lead to violence at least.

 

[Information Analyst]

Not sure what this means. Are the kids bailed out and must return to court in July?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-48566800

Yes, they're out, but no, they haven't got a court date. It's still in the hands of the police.

 

[Belz...]

I've seen many Cain posts and thought they were funny. This one wasn't.

Jokes don't cease to be jokes when they're not funny.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Well if his post was a joke of some sort, then it was a joke in very poor taste.

Think of Cain as the Colbert Report. It is a poe mocking the assertions that right wing posters make seriously.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Because an attack like this is thankfully rare?

Yea normally they are limited to harassment and less serious assaults, and can safely be ignored.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Yup its everything elses fault except for the perps. [emoji849]

A common part of the patriarchy is that women exist for men. Hence why men get mad at finding out they were hitting on a trans woman because her existence is for them to hit on and their failure to identify her as trans early enough is her fault.

This is about far more than porn, it is a primary factor in how traditional society has men and women interact. Like how teen girls have to change their clothes because their male teachers can not stop leering at them and they prove a distraction.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Never said it did

I just said gangs of people trying to force lgbt people to make out or get beaten is kind of a one off.

No this is likely to be something that is only targeted at women in a relationship with other women, due to the nature of male entitlement. The harassment and assaults on other groups are of a different nature.

 

[Ziggurat]

What terrifies me most is that when I read about this assault on two gay women, down the road from my house in the biggest, most multicultural city in the UK, I wasn’t even shocked.

Were you under the mistaken belief that multiculturalism might serve as a kind of protection against such barbarity?

 

[JoeMorgue]

But I hope you can see the difference between those two things. For the sake of clarity, then, can you confirm whether you see him as engaging in the former (my first paragraph) or the latter (my last paragraph)?

I'm saying you can't be an a-hole ironically, and you certainly can't be an a-hole ironically ironically, and you certainly, certainly can't do it just be acting functionally indistinguishable from an a-hole and having other people tack on the "LOL joking" for you.

But this rabbit hole is deep enough, I'll drop my end of the rope to mix the metaphor.

 

[quadraginta]

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From what I read there they did instigate some kind of confrontation but it hardly justifies the violence they got back.

You think that the two women provoked this gang of chavs into demanding that they kiss each other?

 

[ponderingturtle]

You think that the two women provoked this gang of chavs into demanding that they kiss each other?

Well they kissed each other, that is clear provocation and hence the demands that they kiss again for the amusement of the gang is quite justified. And so refusing this then provoked them further.

Once you take a properly male focused view of the world it is easy to see how they caused this by their existence.

 

[GlennB]

Are these the same kind of male yobs who could, if certain requests/demands/trends are accepted, 'self identify' as women for a day in order to pull stunts in the women's changing room at the pool or gym? If so, it's easy to understand why women resist this unisex trend.

 

[Darat]

You think that the two women provoked this gang of chavs into demanding that they kiss each other?

If you follow that strand of the thread you'd see he was referring to the slight chance that one of the women may have thrown the first punch not that they provoked the group of lads/men.

 

[Darat]

Are these the same kind of male yobs who could, if certain requests/demands/trends are accepted, 'self identify' as women for a day in order to pull stunts in the women's changing room at the pool or gym? If so, it's easy to understand why women resist this unisex trend.

How are we meant to know this?

 

[GlennB]

How are we meant to know this?

It was my attempt at irony. I'll bet good money that drunken yobs will pull such stunts.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Are these the same kind of male yobs who could, if certain requests/demands/trends are accepted, 'self identify' as women for a day in order to pull stunts in the women's changing room at the pool or gym? If so, it's easy to understand why women resist this unisex trend.

Is there something stopping them from "pulling stunts" now?

Those emblems on the doors are not warding runes, you know.

 

[Darat]

It was my attempt at irony. I'll bet good money that drunken yobs will pull such stunts.

And be treated the same way they always have been. Unless they become foreign secretary or justice minister.

 

[GlennB]

Is there something stopping them from "pulling stunts" now?

Those emblems on the doors are not warding runes, you know.

Being challenged by customers and the staff? Security being called? Simply because men have been observed entering the changing room?

 

[Darat]

Being challenged by customers and the staff? Security being called? Simply because men have been observed entering the changing room?

No, because yobs as you describe them are being yobs. Whether in a private or public space in the UK your gender/sex/whatever doesn't protect you from the consequences of acting yobbishly only wealth can do that.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It was my attempt at irony. I'll bet good money that drunken yobs will pull such stunts.

I think that is a different group of entitled men.

This is a group of 15-18 year olds. Young men who have so far failed to grow the hell up, have no idea how to behave in a civilised manner and certainly have no idea how to behave themselves while drunk.

Having reached adolescence, they transition clumsily from an age where they were uninterested in girls and everything was about status among other boys and showing no weakness and picking on and bullying anyone who did, they suddenly find they are interested in girls but have no idea how to talk to them or treat anyone any differently or any better than the other boys they contend with for status.