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You didn't page-down.
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Huh? If you page-down on RCP, you get older polls. What are you getting at? Biden is performing better in ALL polls for the primaries and performs better in the few one-on-one polls against Trump.

I'm not even in support of polls at this stage, but they are a snapshot of a certain sub-set of opinions. But you queried the statement that Biden was outperforming the rest of the Dems in the polls. You were shown the background data, the usual assortment of RCP polls, including the overall averages for both Biden and Sanders, his nearest competitor.

Now one's supposed to scroll-down? What is it you are trying to prove, aside from the fact that you don't follow polls very much (or wouldn't have made the query in the first place).
 
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In particular, the "socialism" actually supported by the left-wing part of the Democrats and the "socialism" vilified by right-wing propaganda are pretty close to two entirely different things, with the right-wing propagandists loudly trying to equate the two. Either way, Hickenlooper has pretty much no chance at all, by the look of it, and there's good reason for that.
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The Democrats are promoting the shiny, new, improved Socialism 2.0, while the meanie Republicans insist the Donks are shilling for Original Socialism?
 
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/02/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-that-a-centrist-democrat-would-be-a-losing-candidate/

For someone who was not acquainted with Piketty's paper, the argument for a centrist Democrat might sound compelling. If the country has tilted to the right, should we elect a candidate closer to the middle than the fringe? If the electorate resembles a left-to-right line, and each voter has a bracketed range of acceptability in which they vote, this would make perfect sense. The only problem is that it doesn't work like that, as Piketty shows.

The reason is that nominating centrist Democrats who don't speak to class issues will result in a great swathe of voters simply not voting. Conversely, right-wing candidates who speak to class issues, but who do so by harnessing a false consciousness — e.g. blaming immigrants and minorities for capitalism's ills, rather than capitalists — will win back those same voters who would have voted for a more class-conscious left candidate. Piketty calls this a "bifurcated" voting situation, e.g. many voters will connect either with far-right xenophobic nationalists or left-egalitarian internationalists, but perhaps nothing inbetween.
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I'd say this trend extends further than just the U.S., U.K., and France, but they are among the most significant examples.
 
Recently on this board, our resident Putin / Chavez / Assad apologist had a Tulsi Gabbard link as their signature. Looks like that fits a pattern.

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination is being underwritten by some of the nation’s leading Russophiles.

Donors to her campaign in the first quarter of the year included: Stephen F. Cohen, a Russian studies professor at New York University and prominent Kremlin sympathizer; Sharon Tennison, a vocal Putin supporter who nonetheless found herself detained by Russian authorities in 2016; and an employee of the Kremlin-backed broadcaster RT, who appears to have donated under the alias “Goofy Grapes.”
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She's also gotten support from David Duke and Richard Spencer, according to the article.
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/02/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-that-a-centrist-democrat-would-be-a-losing-candidate/



I'd say this trend extends further than just the U.S., U.K., and France, but they are among the most significant examples.
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If you think about it, this argument basically amounts to nothing more than that there are a bunch of people on the far left who really do believe there is no significant difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. From the article:

The reason is that nominating centrist Democrats who don't speak to class issues will result in a great swathe of voters simply not voting.
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Despite almost 2-1/2 years of steady moaning from the Left that Trump was a uniquely evil monster who appears to have taken a page from Adolf's playbook, suddenly we're supposed to believe that they will not take the opportunity to cast a vote against him?

Don't get me wrong. There are issues with nominating the "electable" candidate as well. Some pundit noted a few years back that it was akin to marrying a gal because you've heard her cooking is good. And Joe Biden is running for the Democratic nomination for the third time; care to guess how many primaries he's won in his prior two runs?
 
Brainster said:
If you think about it, this argument basically amounts to nothing more than that there are a bunch of people on the far left who really do believe there is no significant difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. From the article:



The reason is that nominating centrist Democrats who don't speak to class issues will result in a great swathe of voters simply not voting
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I'm honestly at a loss as to how you got to that conclusion.

The statement you've quoted says nothing about "the far left", the study does not purport to cover the beliefs and values of "the far left."

Try reading it without a lens to filter it through or an agenda to shoehorn into it.


Despite almost 2-1/2 years of steady moaning from the Left that Trump was a uniquely evil monster who appears to have taken a page from Adolf's playbook, suddenly we're supposed to believe that they will not take the opportunity to cast a vote against him?
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That's not what the article says.


Don't get me wrong. There are issues with nominating the "electable" candidate as well. Some pundit noted a few years back that it was akin to marrying a gal because you've heard her cooking is good. And Joe Biden is running for the Democratic nomination for the third time; care to guess how many primaries he's won in his prior two runs?
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The whole point is that "electable" does not mean what it has in prior election cycles.

Next time, you can just make a post and put your thoughts in it. You don't have to torture logic to reply to something that had nothing to do with the commemts you'd like to make.
 
carlitos said:
Recently on this board, our resident Putin / Chavez / Assad apologist had a Tulsi Gabbard link as their signature. Looks like that fits a pattern.



She's also gotten support from David Duke and Richard Spencer, according to the article.
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I hardly see her taking any **** from the Russians if push comes to shove.

Then the Kremlin sympathizers will turn on her.
 
Brainster said:
The Democrats are promoting the shiny, new, improved Socialism 2.0, while the meanie Republicans insist the Donks are shilling for Original Socialism?
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Given that the "Socialism 2.0" is generally just capitalism with a twist to make the system less exploitable for a single person or small group to benefit immensely instead of all involved? Pretty much. Other than that, there's also the old truism that the public sector and the private sector have different strengths and weaknesses, with the obvious implication that things best handled by the public sector should be handled by the public sector and the same for the private sector.
 
Brainster said:
If you think about it, this argument basically amounts to nothing more than that there are a bunch of people on the far left who really do believe there is no significant difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. From the article:
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No. More likely it means that while there is a significant difference, they don't like either sufficiently to give them support. Stabbing someone is significantly different than stealing $1000 from someone. One is arguably much worse than the other but that doesn't mean people will feel motivated to support stealing $1000.


Despite almost 2-1/2 years of steady moaning from the Left that Trump was a uniquely evil monster who appears to have taken a page from Adolf's playbook, suddenly we're supposed to believe that they will not take the opportunity to cast a vote against him?
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There was ample evidence of what an evil monster he was in 2016 too. That didn't stop millions of people from staying home or voting 3rd party because they also didn't like Clinton enough to support her.
 
Can anyone explain why Democrats like Biden? A whole field of candidates ranging from stellar to Delaney, and they seem determined to coalesce behind the one who's even older, whiter and touchier than Trump.
 
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Can anyone explain why Democrats like Biden? A whole field of candidates ranging from stellar to Delaney, and they seem determined to coalesce behind the one who's even older, whiter and touchier than Trump.
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Those in power seek to retain that power, so they will always side with the status quo. Biden is the most business-as-usual, same-as-we've-always-been of the lot. He won't rock the boat and risk spilling the drinks of the oligarchs.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Can anyone explain why Democrats like Biden? A whole field of candidates ranging from stellar to Delaney, and they seem determined to coalesce behind the one who's even older, whiter and touchier than Trump.
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Because finding the demographic "Anti-Trump" isn't everyone's top priority.

This idea that the narrative requires a non-white, non-male, non-old candidate to defeat Trump bothers me.

Like Biden or don't like Biden, just don't do it because you think we need someone to stand up to Trump that checks all the exact opposite arbitrary boxes from him.
 
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Beelzebuddy said:
Can anyone explain why Democrats like Biden? A whole field of candidates ranging from stellar to Delaney, and they seem determined to coalesce behind the one who's even older, whiter and touchier than Trump.
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-Biden is unlikely to appoint another conservative Supreme Court Justice.
-Biden is unlikely to attempt to block or slow legislation pushed by the Democrats in Congress
-Biden is unlikely to attempt to further erode the ACA
-Biden will generate the least amount of Republican blowback, perhaps creating a less panicked right-wing voter base than other Democratic candidates

And, perhaps most importantly, Biden currently seems to have the best chance of getting elected.
 
Also Biden has the white-lashed soulless beady eyes of a rabbit. He's fundamentally creepy and normal human instinct is to flee from his presence. There's something wrong with him. Unheimlich in the literal and Freudian senses. Uncanny through the repetition of the same thing...let's not repeat the same old with Ol Soulless Joe.
 
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