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National Emergency

Craig4 said:
If the data suggests that calling out Trump supporters for racism regarding the immigration issue has a positive impact on my side, have I not been skeptical in coming to a data driven conclusion?
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Find the answer to your own stupid questions.
 
Minoosh said:
Airports are staffed for arrivals. There's no reason land ports shouldn't be either. Get the people their court dates and their bracelets or whatever. It will all settle down.
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Of course.

Remember though that lots of people who come through airports also apply for refugee status. They will then go through exactly the same legal procedures as any wetback faces. They have done so for decades now. But because their entry point is a nice clean airport and not the dirty Rio Grande, this is entirely not an emergency worthy situation.

Trump's giant point about starting this "National Emergency" is that there are SO MANY refugees. Tens of thousands! But meanwhile, there are millions of refugees coming in through all the other entry ports that do not constitute even a raised eyebrow let alone a clamour for a wall around LAX or Le Guardia. So the numbers of refugees is a distraction...from what...?

Answer is very likely that Trump is trying to award wall-building to one of his own or a pal's construction company. Indications are he has been stage-whispering and shoving for a major construction donor to be awarded the sole contract. Even if it is refurbishment of existing structures, as long as he pays off a crooked mate.

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Norman Alexander said:
Of course.

Remember though that lots of people who come through airports also apply for refugee status. They will then go through exactly the same legal procedures as any wetback faces. They have done so for decades now. But because their entry point is a nice clean airport and not the dirty Rio Grande, this is entirely not an emergency worthy situation.

Trump's giant point about starting this "National Emergency" is that there are SO MANY refugees. Tens of thousands! But meanwhile, there are millions of refugees coming in through all the other entry ports that do not constitute even a raised eyebrow let alone a clamour for a wall around LAX or Le Guardia. So the numbers of refugees is a distraction...from what...?

Answer is very likely that Trump is trying to award wall-building to one of his own or a pal's construction company. Indications are he has been stage-whispering and shoving for a major construction donor to be awarded the sole contract. Even if it is refurbishment of existing structures, as long as he pays off a crooked mate.

Oh look!
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Another "gotcha" that isn't. I get you think you think you've outsmarted the Trump administration and you think you thought of something they haven't. There's a reason your American compatriots aren't jumping on this. Not only is it stupid. It's wrong. I'm not providing links due to skeptics' inability to understand them but you can Google how many overstayed visas there are and to say you're off the mark would be an understatement. Overstayed visas has been addressed many times by DHS so your "not a raised eyebrow" thing is also wrong. And overstayed visas have no bearing on the situation at the border so it's not the "gotcha" you think it is and you should retire this stupid talking point.
 
Baylor said:
Another "gotcha" that isn't. I get you think you think you've outsmarted the Trump administration and you think you thought of something they haven't. There's a reason your American compatriots aren't jumping on this. Not only is it stupid. It's wrong. I'm not providing links due to skeptics' inability to understand them but you can Google how many overstayed visas there are and to say you're off the mark would be an understatement. Overstayed visas has been addressed many times by DHS so your "not a raised eyebrow" thing is also wrong. And overstayed visas have no bearing on the situation at the border so it's not the "gotcha" you think it is and you should retire this stupid talking point.
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Not a gotcha at all. These are official numbers. Do you dispute them?

And not just overstayed visas but also applications for refugee status and applications for residency. Of the 3 million international travelers per month through LAX alone, there are going to be plenty of these. 30 times as many people through LAX alone. So even if just 10% of these are potential applicants or visa offenders, that's still three times as many as all of the Mexico border through just one airport. You...do realise there's lots more international airports in the USA...right? And yet no "National Emergency" there at all. ;)
 
If Trump cares so much about the border, he needs to offer the Dems something they care just as much about in return.
That's how politics work.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Not a gotcha at all. These are official numbers. Do you dispute them?

And not just overstayed visas but also applications for refugee status and applications for residency. Of the 3 million international travelers per month through LAX alone, there are going to be plenty of these. 30 times as many people through LAX alone. So even if just 10% of these are potential applicants or visa offenders, that's still three times as many as all of the Mexico border through just one airport. You...do realise there's lots more international airports in the USA...right? And yet no "National Emergency" there at all. ;)
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This is so stupid.
 
Norman Alexander said:
But they are foreigners. And many of them are brown. And they are coming into the USA. And many of them will be migrants. And many of them will apply for asylum and/or residency. And many of them will overstay their US visas and become "illegals". And they are coming through the same Border controls as the people on the Mexican border.

Three million per month is 36 million per year. That makes the southern border situation look pretty wimpy by comparison. Because 3 million per month is 30 times as many as come through the whole Mexican border per month. And that's just LAX alone; there are many other international entreports to the USA.

So if LAX isn't a a five-alarm emergency due to the YUGE immigration levels, why is it rated a "national emergency" on the Mexican border? The answer is obvious: It isn't one. Just that you have been sucked in by Trump. Admit it. ;)
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Changing the topic slightly (Mods if this is too off topic feel free to move somewhere more appropriate); is there any limitation in what POTUS can declare as a National Emergency to by-pass congress? I assume this will end up at the SC which is now being filled with frankly political appointees. So far the tariffs against just about everyone have been done on national security grounds by-passing congress, re-allocation of funds to the wall, sale of arms to Arabia, welching on the Iran 'treaty'. Other who are more clued up my provide other examples. This does seem to be evading the deliberately designed democratic safeguards in the constitution.

Every time this happens it will justify a future POTUS pushing things a bit further. (Although I am not familiar with the issue I believe Obama did something similar with Executive orders, although I do not know the constitutional place of these.)
 
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