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Trans Women are not Women

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I don't think I'm alone in starting to wonder if a large percentage of those claiming to be transgendered women are really just normal men who want to force women to accept them into their spaces.


I don't think so. They're autogynaephiles. The ones that come to media attention including the ones in prison nearly always have a history of cross-dressing before it escalated, which is classic autogynaephile behaviour.

I'm not saying that no man who isn't an autogynaephile will ever decide to be trans simply for access to female changing rooms or Guide camps, in fact I think it's quite likely that will happen. In the past predators have trained for the priesthood for this purpose so what's it to them to self-declare as trans? However the behaviour we're seeing is so in line with autogynaephilic fetishism that I think the vast majority of the problem cases are autogynaephiles, i.e. actually trans not just putting it on.
 
I think that was the case in the past, because that used to be a high risk tactic. I don't think that will be the case now and in the future, given that the rules of trans acceptance have changed to make it low risk.

But he won't get even the slap upside the head anymore. That's a hate crime.

It will happen more and more as the cost of doing so has dropped. Misbehavior increases as people learn they can get away with it.


This is also very very true. Women are on the losing side both ways. First with the actual autogynaephiles perving on them and demanding to be part of the girly chat, and second with the common-or-garden predators taking advantage of the simplicity of claiming to be trans.

Men on this forum have actually said that it's vanishingly unlikely that any man would pretend to be trans just to get into women's changing rooms. What planet are you orbiting guys, there is no limit to the lengths some predators will go to to get access to their victims. And second, portraying that as the only danger (because "real transwomen" are all sweetness and light and harmless oppressed souls) completely fails to appreciate the mindset and the aggression of the narcissistic autogynaephile trans.
 
I don't think so. They're autogynaephiles. The ones that come to media attention including the ones in prison nearly always have a history of cross-dressing before it escalated, which is classic autogynaephile behaviour.

I'm not saying that no man who isn't an autogynaephile will ever decide to be trans simply for access to female changing rooms or Guide camps, in fact I think it's quite likely that will happen. In the past predators have trained for the priesthood for this purpose so what's it to them to self-declare as trans? However the behaviour we're seeing is so in line with autogynaephilic fetishism that I think the vast majority of the problem cases are autogynaephiles, i.e. actually trans not just putting it on.

Okay; I had to google.

Autogynephilia resembles a sexual orientation in that it involves elements of idealization and attachment as well as erotic desire.


So they are born male, are attracted to females, but are primarily aroused by imagining themselves to be female.

That makes sense. Thank-you!
 
I think that was the case in the past, because that used to be a high risk tactic. I don't think that will be the case now and in the future, given that the rules of trans acceptance have changed to make it low risk.



But he won't get even the slap upside the head anymore. That's a hate crime.



It will happen more and more as the cost of doing so has dropped. Misbehavior increases as people learn they can get away with it.

Stop it. You're depressing me.


Isn't that a hate crime? I'm a leftie ginger and we have a history of discrimination and abuse!
 
Please, please don't see this as a left and right thing.
Almost everything shakes down as left and right. I don’t know why. Desire to belong perhaps. But it does.

In this area it is typically the right who object to “trans activism” and the granting of privileges that abridge the rights of others (women) and it is the left that screams “transphobia”

Whichever side it is has little bearing on whether it is correct in my view since I tend to agree with a lot of typical right stuff and a lot of typical left stuff which frequently means I am disliked by both camps on a lot of issues (not that I care). In this case I agree with the right. Also FWIW ever since I came across the acronym LGBT[ . . . ] I have always recoiled from it. I am a B in that alphabet soup and never felt any particular connection with any of the other letters but (I suppose) particularly not the T or anything after that. No more of a connection than to anybody else anyway which isn’t much either
 
Men on this forum have actually said that it's vanishingly unlikely that any man would pretend to be trans just to get into women's changing rooms. What planet are you orbiting guys, there is no limit to the lengths some predators will go to to get access to their victims.

Well, most of us don't have this sort of people in our entourage, so the lack of experience may not help in our assessment.
 
Whichever side it is has little bearing on whether it is correct in my view since I tend to agree with a lot of typical right stuff and a lot of typical left stuff which frequently means I am disliked by both camps on a lot of issues (not that I care).


Yeah; me too! Now, people ask if I'm Republican or Democrat and I just say "no".


Right wing, left wing...are both part of the same bird. We all have to work together if the country is gonna fly.
 
Okay; I had to google.

So they are born male, are attracted to females, but are primarily aroused by imagining themselves to be female.

That makes sense. Thank-you!


Here's a really good article. It explains the three real causes of trans identification. The vast majority of FtM trans in the developed world are AGP, but it's the smaller number of HSTS people (who are relatively reserved and don't get turned on by being in women's spaces) whom the public usually thinks of when they think of transwomen.

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

You will find trans advocates who loudly declare that this is discredited junk science and "debunked". They've had a concerted campaign to make it appear so, but it's the real deal. As Blanchard says, there's a lot of denial going on with these guys. He is far from being without sympathy for them, and recommends transitioning for appropriate cases, but he also advocates counselling and self-help groups for men who realise they're autogynaephilic and want to avoid going down the all too common route of becoming a "tranny". Like this poor woman's partner, and many others.

Gas Mark Six

This is what we're dealing with. Autogynaephilic males with a strong streak of narcissism make up the trans lobby and have almost succeeded in getting complete unfettered access to all women's protected spaces and categories. They have presented themselves as the experts in trans matters, they've written policy and dictated procedure and formulated guidelines. All the while telling the politicians that no impact assessments were needed (of granting males access to women's protected spaces!) women's rights were not affected and women's organisations didn't need to be consulted and in fact should be excluded because they're all bigoted transphobes and that is bad.

And you know how they justify saying that women's rights aren't affected? Well you see, transwomen are literally women, biologically, in every way. As they have lady brains the bodies these brains are in are literally female (cock and balls and all), and so women-only changing rooms, prisons etc are still women-only. Why would a woman have a problem seeing another woman's body, they ask reasonably.

It's easy when you know how. And you have a lot of money being thrown at you by rich AGP men in the tech industry and drug companies who are quite ecstatic about the upturn in sales of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. Not to mention the fortunes being made by people setting up as paid advisers on trans issues, and surgeons who are happy to rearrange anyone's bits at a very high price. Paid for on daddy's health insurance in the USA.

They've even fudged the criteria for being trans so that if you look at it one way it's not a psychiatric illness because that would be hurtful and anyway we don't need no psychiatrists, but if you look at it the other way it is a recognised mental health condition so that US insurance companies will pay out for the hormones and the surgery.

There are a lot of people making careers out of this and a lot of them are getting very rich. I even saw a travel-brochure-like page exhorting trans youth to come to some exotic tropical location to have their "top surgery" done. It's a racket.
 
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Well, most of us don't have this sort of people in our entourage, so the lack of experience may not help in our assessment.

Yes; that's the crux of it.

Most of the people on this forum -as far as I've seen in the years I've been here- have excellent values and are very outspoken in defense of them.

But, just next door there's a whole 'nother world, and I've personally seen some of the worst of human behavior, so that nothing much surprises me, except the lengths some go to denying such exists.

Thankfully, most here are swayed by facts and reason. So, while it might take a while to be able to broach the popular worldview for serious questions, most topics are eventually up for debate, and even the most sacred cows can become hamburger if it's warranted.
 
Yeah; me too! Now, people ask if I'm Republican or Democrat and I just say "no".


Right wing, left wing...are both part of the same bird. We all have to work together if the country is gonna fly.

We actually have a centrist party in the UK which I usually vote for but it is tiny and suffers quite a bit from not being on one side or the other (so nobody likes it much because it isn't the Jets or the Sharks)
 
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Well, most of us don't have this sort of people in our entourage, so the lack of experience may not help in our assessment.


Women, on the other hand, seem to have the imagination to work it out even if they don't have the personal experience. We know there are no lengths a predator will not go to in order to gain access to vulnerable victims. We read the papers.
 
There are a lot of people making careers out of this and a lot of them are getting very rich. I even saw a travel-brochure-like page exhorting trans youth to come to some exotic tropical location to have their "top surgery" done. It's a racket.


My Dad always said "Follow the money". It burns me every time, but he was right. It almost always comes down to someone, some where, getting rich from someone else's suffering. :(
 
Women, on the other hand, seem to have the imagination to work it out even if they don't have the personal experience. We know there are no lengths a predator will not go to in order to gain access to vulnerable victims. We read the papers.

Well.... I think women are more keenly aware of themselves as potential victims, and so tend to evaluate every scenario in that light.
 
The other problem that might come up is without some sort of guide some people are bound to get it wrong which gets a bit ugly.

Maybe we should all have badges.....We could have different shades of a rainbow spectrum for every one and we could have graphs at primary school to learn it along side maths.


I was going back through the thread and found this and it seems to be meant as a joke but it is actually happening. Literally, to primary school children too young to tie their own shoelaces who are coming home and saying mummy, we've learned that we can choose our own gender and I think I want to be a boy.

This is yet another aspect of concern. Pollution of young minds. We're being told that objecting to this is like [something bad that happened in connection to homosexuality] but it's quite different. Gay campaigners had and have a strict rule that they don't approach or prosyletise to children. Mermaids, the campaign intent on making all boys into girls and all girls into boys, is running summer camps, has stalls with sweeties and toys at events and has got itself into schools peddling teaching like this.
 
Autogynaephilics are the crossdressing men? I've always associated crossdressing men with being sexually attracted to straight men. These guys (pretending to be women) are actually sexually attracted to women instead?
 
Autogynaephilics are the crossdressing men? I've always associated crossdressing men with being sexually attracted to straight men. These guys (pretending to be women) are actually sexually attracted to women instead?


Read and learn.

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

Both types exist but in the developed world the former category (HSTS) is much less numerous than the latter (AGP). The problematic trans activists are almost entirely narcissistic-personality AGPs.
 
Autogynaephilics are the crossdressing men? I've always associated crossdressing men with being sexually attracted to straight men. These guys (pretending to be women) are actually sexually attracted to women instead?

I've personally known three crossdressing men, and two were attracted to women, but the third was strictly into other men. So, I think there's a wide range.
 
Isissxn, you're a woman. Please, please tell me you know the difference between the vulva, the vestibule and the vagina! If not, go follow Dr Jennifer Gunter on twitter or read her blog or her books. I'm now beginning to realise why she tweets so much about people not knowing the difference.

ETA: Here, look at this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulval_vestibule (Picture possibly NSFW.) I'm sure the woman in the picture has a vagina, as they wouldn't have asked someone with a DSD to pose for that photo. However, even though she is spread so wide you can see "everything", you can't actually tell that she has a vagina. The vaginal opening (just on the edge of the dotted line near the bottom) is nearly closed and it will only open if you try to penetrate it with something. Imagine what you'd have to do to establish that that woman had a patent vagina that actually went somewhere? If she didn't consent it would be sexual abuse.

Oh no, I understand all that. Sorry, I typed my post too quickly, I guess.

I was saying how a person changing a diaper could easily see the hole when wiping and believe it was a normal vagina. That's all.
 
I see I'm not the only one who finds the confusion annoying.

I know what my vagina is! I should stop posting when I'm at work, I dash off foolishly-worded posts in between tasks and then don't return to correct my errors for hours. It's a bad system.
 
"not all breeds of genetic athletes were accepted by the GAS and new rules had to be created after the 2224 World Cup, when Scotland fielded a goalkeeper who was a human oblong of flesh, measuring eight feet high by sixteen across, thereby filling the entire goal. Somehow they still failed to qualify for the second round."


I'm sorry I don't know where this came from but I just laughed so hard I had to quote it.
 
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