David Icke's Visa Cancelled

[zooterkin]

Since reptilian aliens don't exist, when he's talking about reptilian aliens masquerading as Jewish people, he's talking about Jewish people.

You'd have a point if a) he wasn't practically certifiable and b) if he said the aliens masqueraded only as Jewish people.

 

[arthwollipot]

Thus confirming post #284.

On the contrary, in post #284 you said...

Hardly rampant anti-semitism...

Whereas I am saying that when he says that reptilian aliens rule the world, he is actually saying that Jews rule the world. That he refers to them by his strange euphemism is immaterial - everything bad he says about reptilians is in fact a bad thing said about Jewish people. And he says a lot of bad things about reptilians, in case you haven't noticed.

I don't care that he thinks he's anti-reptilian rather than anti-Semitic. He's anti-Semitic.

 

[arthwollipot]

You'd have a point if a) he wasn't practically certifiable and b) if he said the aliens masqueraded only as Jewish people.

Not really. The fact that he's anti-Semitic doesn't mean that he can't also be anti-Royalist. And the fact that he's anti-Royalist doesn't mean that he isn't also anti-Semitic.

 

[psionl0]

Whereas I am saying that when he says that reptilian aliens rule the world, he is actually saying that Jews rule the world. That he refers to them by his strange euphemism is immaterial - everything bad he says about reptilians is in fact a bad thing said about Jewish people. And he says a lot of bad things about reptilians, in case you haven't noticed.

I don't care that he thinks he's anti-reptilian rather than anti-Semitic. He's anti-Semitic.

That is exactly my point. It makes him appear worse if you label him "anti-Semitic" instead of what he really is - a nut. And how do you justify this? You read his mind and say that "reptilian" is code for "Jew".

I could just as easily twist your words by saying that you are anti-Semitic yourself and you are twisting Icke's words so that they support your racist agenda.*

* Not true of course but you don't appear to be interested in the truth.

 

[arthwollipot]

That is exactly my point. It makes him appear worse if you label him "anti-Semitic" instead of what he really is - a nut. And how do you justify this? You read his mind and say that "reptilian" is code for "Jew".

You don't need to read his mind to draw this connection. You can just read his books.

I could just as easily twist your words by saying that you are anti-Semitic yourself and you are twisting Icke's words so that they support your racist agenda.*

* Not true of course but you don't appear to be interested in the truth.

But I haven't written books about it. Icke has. If you said that about me, you would just be lying.

 

[psionl0]

You don't need to read his mind to draw this connection. You can just read his books and change each occurrence of the word "reptile" to "Jew".

ftfy.

But I haven't written books about it. Icke has. If you said that about me, you would just be lying.

You made a public writing. Anybody is as free to twist what you say as you have done with Icke's books.

 

[Checkmite]

That is exactly my point. It makes him appear worse if you label him "anti-Semitic" instead of what he really is - a nut.

Stop acting like these are mutually exclusive. All anti-semites and holocaust denialists/conspiracy theorists are nuts. Icke is not some special exception.

 

[psionl0]

Stop acting like these are mutually exclusive. All anti-semites and holocaust denialists/conspiracy theorists are nuts. Icke is not some special exception.

It doesn't mean that all nuts are "anti-semites and holocaust denialists/conspiracy theorists" so stop being illogical.

 

[arthwollipot]

It doesn't mean that all nuts are "anti-semites and holocaust denialists/conspiracy theorists" so stop being illogical.

But no-one has claimed that. Icke is a nut, and an anti-Semite, and a holocaust denier, and a conspiracy theorist. No-one except you has tried to generalise this statement to all nuts.

And I'm a little worried that you are so vehemently defending him.

 

[psionl0]

Is this "through the looking glass" day or something? You managed to get everything backwards.

 

[arthwollipot]

Is this "through the looking glass" day or something? You managed to get everything backwards.

If your meaning is anything other than "David Icke is not an anti-Semite" then I'm afraid you'll have to try explaining yourself again with different words, because that's the meaning I'm getting.

 

[arthwollipot]

Although here's something from RationalWiki that is interesting.

He does believe the virulently antisemitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a true document, although he argues that it was not about Jews, because "Jew" (ironically, given the accusation of coded anti-Semitism) was supposedly a code word for actual lizards.

Is this what you mean, psion? That "reptoid" isn't code for "Jew" but "Jew" is code for "reptoid"?

Cause if I got something backwards, that seems a likely candidate.

 

[psionl0]

Although here's something from RationalWiki that is interesting.

Although he hangs around with some rather fringe right-wing nutcases, he balances it all out by being just as insane a believer in New Age mumbo-jumbo. He also has been flirting with Holocaust denial,[10] but in Icke's case it's less likely a sign of anti-Semitism than yet another manifestation of all-round insanity.

Game, set and match.

 

[arthwollipot]

Game, set and match.

Oh, are we playing a game now? Okay, you win. Congratulations. What are you going to do with all the internet monies you've won?

Seriously now, that did not answer my question. Are you saying that David Icke is not an anti-Semite?

 

[psionl0]

Seriously now, that did not answer my question. Are you saying that David Icke is not an anti-Semite?

Are you so emotionally invested in branding Icke an anti-Semite that you refuse to read anything?

Your OWN LINK stated that rather than being an anti-Semite, David Icke shows signs of "all-round insanity".

 

[arthwollipot]

Are you so emotionally invested in branding Icke an anti-Semite that you refuse to read anything?

Your OWN LINK stated that rather than being an anti-Semite, David Icke shows signs of "all-round insanity".

And again, those two states are not mutually exclusive! His anti-Semitism has been extensively documented. He may think that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is about reptilians and not Jews, but it's about Jews.

Furthermore.

From And the truth shall set you free:

I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament...

He's not even talking about reptilians here, he's talking about Jews. If, as he claims, he is not anti-Semitic, he sure writes like one.

Got that from Wikipedia, by the way. Yeah. Looks like this game is still on.

 

[psionl0]

From And the truth shall set you free:

You don't even know what you are reading when it is your own quote.

To equate "small Jewish clique" (acting against the interests of Jews) to anti-Semitism is like saying that a few men are violent towards other men means that ALL men are violent.

 

[uke2se]

You don't even know what you are reading when it is your own quote.

To equate "small Jewish clique" (acting against the interests of Jews) to anti-Semitism is like saying that a few men are violent towards other men means that ALL men are violent.

That's the most common anti-semitic conspiracy theory. A small clique of Jews. The rest of the Jews are simply guilty of enabling this small clique.

 

[zooterkin]

That's the most common anti-semitic conspiracy theory. A small clique of Jews. The rest of the Jews are simply guilty of enabling this small clique.

But in Icke's case, he believes that the conspiracy is a small group of powerful people, some of whom are Jews (all of whom happen to be alien reptoids). Not the same thing at all.

ETA: From wikipedia:

As of 2003, the reptilian bloodline is claimed to include 43 American presidents, three British and two Canadian prime ministers, several Sumerian kings and Egyptian pharaohs, and a smattering of celebrities. Key bloodlines include the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, various European aristocratic families, the establishment families of the Eastern United States, and the British House of Windsor. Icke confirmed to Andrew Neil in May 2016 that he believes the British Royal Family are shape-shifting lizards. He identified the Queen Mother in 2001 as "seriously reptilian", and said he had seen Ted Heath's eyes turn black while the two waited for a Sky News interview in 1989

 

[arthwollipot]

The fact that he names some non-Jews as reptilians doesn't mean that he isn't anti-Semitic, because he still believes in and promotes the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion - a known hoax.

And yes, he's a lunatic. He's an anti-Semitic lunatic.