2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker

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Travis said:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...Harris-or-Buttigieg-win?utm_campaign=trending


So, you already know that Bernie supporters were asked how they'd vote if Warren was nominee and 26% said they'd prefer Trump. Well a deeper dive into the poll is quite interesting. They were actually asked how they'd vote if the following were the Democratic nominee and the percentage that would prefer to vote Trump is:


Warren: 26%
Buttigieg: 21%
Beto:18%
Harris: 17%


So, Bernie supporters really hate Warren and Buttigieg and are somewhat warmer towards Beto and Harris. But what about the other way around? Supporters of the following candidates were asked how they'd vote if Sanders won the nomination and the following percentage would switch to voting for Trump:


Warren: 6%
Buttigieg: 0-1%
Harris: 2%
Beto: 9%

So, interesting. Bernie's fans are much, much more prone to switch to vote for Orange Hitler than the supporters of any of the other Democratic candidates.
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Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, and Yang are my favorites and I'd be glad for any of them to win the nomination.

I can only assume the people who would vote Trump if Sanders doesn't get the nomination are people who have little understanding of how dissimilar they are other than the vague concept of them both being outsider non- establishment types.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Because there are lots of people that touch too much, invade people's space, things like that who are not doing it for any sexual reason at all. Some people are simply socially challenged.
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Lots of value judgement here. How much touching is "too much"? Different people have different "space" so how do you know any particular instance is an invasion?

And, apparently, those who do not subscribe to your own person "space" definitions are "socially challenged"? How does you own hubris fit into this picture?
 
SezMe said:
Yeah, hearing an actual audio recording is crappy evidence.
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There’s audio of Trump grabbing a woman by the pussy?

What would that even sound like? :boggled:

ETA: since misunderstanding seems almost mandatory here, what is unsubstantiated is not that Trump made the boast, but that he did what he boasted about.
 
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tyr_13 said:
A fair point, especially when it is exactly the time for such discussions on internal choices. I get the need to avoid absolute purity tests, but let's walk the walk on subjects we actually claim to care about. Caring more than the GOP isn't a good standard in the least.
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OK. Then whether Biden is a DOM should be off the table because "the subjects we really care about" include global warming, health care, fiscal policy, etc., etc. but do not include how often one engages in hair sniffing.
 
Brainster said:
How bad are things for Beto? He got half the support of Mike Gravel:
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Gravel is in the race? Really?

But Gravel has one of the best political assessments I've ever heard. When speaking about being in the Senate, he said, "For the first six months, I wondered how I ever came to be here. After that, I wondered how these other idiots got here."

Heavily paraphrased but the sentiment is correct.
 
theprestige said:
Why should people who set themselves against society not have a say in the ordering of that society?
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With that criterion, one could eliminate a lot more people than those who are currently incarcerated. For example, using that basis would Trump himself be allowed to vote? What actions would constitute setting oneself against society? Would being a drunk driver qualify? Someone behind on spousal support? Submitting a fraudulent loan application?

I think a congresscritter taking a campaign donation which then influences how he votes is more unAmerican that all those felonious crimes.
 
SezMe said:
Lots of value judgement here. How much touching is "too much"? Different people have different "space" so how do you know any particular instance is an invasion?

And, apparently, those who do not subscribe to your own person "space" definitions are "socially challenged"? How does you own hubris fit into this picture?
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I think you have that bolded part confused. I don't understand what you are even saying. I think Biden's touching is creepy. I don't see any women accusing Biden of sexually touching them.

Show me any evidence Biden's touching was sexual. There seems to be a public consensus it wasn't.

Are you guys claiming it was sexual, or are you claiming who cares because it was creepy?
 
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The Atheist said:
So, you would have been quite happy for Timothy McVeigh to vote while he was on death row?

Chuck Manson? Tick that box, mate. Bernie Madoff? Step right up.
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David Duke can vote. So can every mob boss in New York. So can Alex Jones. So can Oliver North. Are their votes ok just because they don't reside in the Big House?
 
SezMe said:
OK. Then whether Biden is a DOM should be off the table because "the subjects we really care about" include global warming, health care, fiscal policy, etc., etc. but do not include how often one engages in hair sniffing.
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Are there any women claiming it was sexual how he touched them?

Creepy, obviously, some complained. Who complained it was sexual abuse except people it didn't happen to?
 
SezMe said:
David Duke can vote. So can every mob boss in New York. So can Alex Jones. So can Oliver North. Are their votes ok just because they don't reside in the Big House?
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Given the discussion being about prisoners' rights and those guys not being in prison, the question is redundant.

Safe-Keeper said:
Yup.
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They are deprived of freedom, the right to associate, the right to see their kids when they want, all employment rights, the right to own weapons, the right to choose what they eat and where they eat it, but should be allowed to vote.

Makes perfect sense.
 
The Atheist said:
So, you would have been quite happy for Timothy McVeigh to vote while he was on death row?

Chuck Manson? Tick that box, mate. Bernie Madoff? Step right up.
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Well, why not? They're very few in numbers, first, and that they are criminals doesn't mean their political decisions are any worse than mine.

On the other hand I have no issue with the idea that, while incarcerated, your right to vote is curtailed just as your right to movement is.
 
Ziggurat said:
There’s audio of Trump grabbing a woman by the pussy?

What would that even sound like? :boggled:

ETA: since misunderstanding seems almost mandatory here, what is unsubstantiated is not that Trump made the boast, but that he did what he boasted about.
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Why quibble? Candidates and the Democratic Party should campaign as if it's true. Stay on message long enough and it will be true wether he did it or not.
 
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