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Venom said:
The first poll of the year by Emerson College has Sanders clearly leading.

1. Sanders
2. Biden
3. then Buttigieg trailing behind significantly with single digits

I predict these three will go furthest.
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This is bad for mayor Pete. Peaked too early.
 
Foolmewunz said:
That's a bit of a stretch. Why do you assume someone who identifies themselves as a centrist is a stalking horse for the DNC? She appears to be a moderate Republican, to me.
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Who said anything about a stalking horse? I wasn't making a grand conspiracy out of it. I don't attribute the motives of every political opinion other than my own to a central cabal.


Her interviews for the school paper include Centrist Republicans Chris Christie and current Barr supplicant Jennings.
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That does change my perspective on it, thank you for those facts.


Seeing as to how there's no evidence that the "hostility" is from within the party, I'll take your observations as being incorrect.
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I stand corrected, if for reasons other than you initially suspected.


My observation is based on years of experience. Bernie wasn't set-back by the question but mildly amused. He heard it at every whistle stop for the entire campaign season and probably every presser he's ever given. His reaction is likely "not this tired old **** again!"
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I didn't think he was set back and the bemused "oh brother" is a feeling I know well.

Again, thanks for the new data on the questioner, that added clarity. The rest is you doing exactly what you're accusing me of.
 
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Trebuchet said:
I'll vote for anyone who isn't Trump. Including if Trump wins the Dem nomination and the R's nominate Alex Jones.
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Ironically, this is the kind of mentality that led to Trump. If you're gonna vote for "anyone except that guy I hate", you're better off not voting at all. The criteria to choose the President of a Country should have a bit of a higher standard than "It's not the other guy".
 
Belz... said:
Doesn't giving them the tools to have higher-paying jobs help them pay back the loan?
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It often doesn't work out that way. And sometimes even when they can pay back their loans, they would have been better off without them.

The fundamental misconception is that student loans are for the benefit of students. They aren't. Their purpose, from a political perspective, is as a subsidy for universities.
 
Ziggurat said:
It often doesn't work out that way. And sometimes even when they can pay back their loans, they would have been better off without them.
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This is why we need to police the phony deceptive for profit universities like Trump U.

Ziggurat said:
The fundamental misconception is that student loans are for the benefit of students. They aren't. Their purpose, from a political perspective, is as a subsidy for universities.
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Tell that to the young person that needs a degree to get a job that pays a living wage. There may be problems in the system that needs to be addressed but cutting off the ability to acquire the education and skills needed to get a good job is not the answer. It would in fact be moronic. Your solutions are typical. Free markets solve everything when in fact they don't. Government is the problem, not the solution. And screw those who don't have the means.

This is very much like the difference between Republicans and the Democrats on healthcare. Republicans want to kill the ACA supposedly because it has shortcomings. But they're not really interested in fixing healthcare, but killing it.

They're not interested in helping the poor, middle class or the uneducated, they're just interested in eliminating any burden they pose to the rest of society. The GOP is America's Ebenezer Scrooge. Everyone who has a need is picking their pocket and they'd rather those people die and reduce the excess population of the world.
 
acbytesla said:
This is why we need to police the phony deceptive for profit universities like Trump U.

Tell that to the young person that needs a degree to get a job that pays a living wage. There may be problems in the system that needs to be addressed but cutting off the ability to acquire the education and skills needed to get a good job is not the answer. It would in fact be moronic. Your solutions are typical. Free markets solve everything when in fact they don't. Government is the problem, not the solution. And screw those who don't have the means.

This is very much like the difference between Republicans and the Democrats on healthcare. Republicans want to kill the ACA supposedly because it has shortcomings. But they're not really interested in fixing healthcare, but killing it.

They're not interested in helping the poor, middle class or the uneducated, they're just interested in eliminating any burden they pose to the rest of society. The GOP is America's Ebenezer Scrooge. Everyone who has a need is picking their pocket and they'd rather those people die and reduce the excess population of the world.
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Let's compare a free market solution to a government subsidy and regulation.

You need a degree to get a good job. Without the degree you make X. With the degree you make Y. There is some risk you don't earn the degree. Failure to earn the degree increases the risk of default (non dismissal of college loans is a government regulation on education, so that is gone). Loans would be made where both parties can profit.

So who should be getting government loans? The pile of people are either more risky or have lower earnings Y. Is there even much positive externalities left after the group in the private insurance bucket is resolved?
 
Hamlet continues to dither:

Even Biden’s widely anticipated entry into the race grew unclear Monday, with the Atlantic reporting that a planned video announcement Wednesday was being pushed back.

As of Monday afternoon, Biden supporters were still moving forward with plans for a fund-raiser in Philadelphia on Thursday hosted by Comcast executive David L. Cohen. But with the specifics of the former vice president’s roll-out still unclear, even the fund-raising hosts did not yet have final assurances that their event would happen.
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acbytesla said:
This is why we need to police the phony deceptive for profit universities like Trump U.
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They are a small part of the issue. Abolish them outright and very little would be solved.

Tell that to the young person that needs a degree to get a job that pays a living wage.
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You don't need a degree to get a job that pays a living wage. Truck drivers make good money. So do plumbers. There are a lot of other well-paying jobs that only need associate's degrees (which you can get from a community college), like dental hygienist.

There may be problems in the system that needs to be addressed but cutting off the ability to acquire the education and skills needed to get a good job is not the answer.
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I didn't advocate cutting it off. Do pay better attention.

It would in fact be moronic. Your solutions are typical. Free markets solve everything when in fact they don't. Government is the problem, not the solution. And screw those who don't have the means.
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You've quite clearly got no idea what my solutions are, and no interest in finding out either. All you've got is a caricature in your head, and by god, you're going to stick to that.

This is very much like the difference between Republicans and the Democrats on healthcare.
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We're not talking about health care.

They're not interested in helping the poor, middle class or the uneducated, they're just interested in eliminating any burden they pose to the rest of society. The GOP is America's Ebenezer Scrooge. Everyone who has a need is picking their pocket and they'd rather those people die and reduce the excess population of the world.
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You can't think in any terms beyond a cliche, can you?
 
theprestige said:
I dunno. The way I see it, an unsubstantiated backstage boast is preferable to documented acts any day.
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Trump is a despicable turd. He used beauty pageants to get laid and check out little girls in while dressing. He has been accused of sexual assault by a dozen women. It's not like his crude behavior is limited to backstage boasting.
 
acbytesla said:
Better that, then on their pussy like Trump.
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I've always been puzzled by that quote, because there's not much to grab onto down there, assuming the woman is wearing clothes. I've seen guys grab a boob or cup a butt, but the only time I've ever seen anybody grab a woman by her pussy is in the movie The Last Picture Show.
 
acbytesla said:
Better that, then on their pussy like Trump.
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And better either than a rusty fork through the eyesocket into the brain. And yet that undeniable truth doesn't make me love and respect Biden or Trump even a bit more.

The possibility of worse doesn't make bad into good.
 
TragicMonkey said:
And better either than a rusty fork through the eyesocket into the brain. And yet that undeniable truth doesn't make me love and respect Biden or Trump even a bit more.

The possibility of worse doesn't make bad into good.
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You'll excuse me for thinking the hand on the shoulder isn't all that bad.
 
acbytesla said:
You'll excuse me for thinking the hand on the shoulder isn't all that bad.
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No, I won't. Touching people who don't want to be touched is bad. It's not the worst thing possible, but it's still bad. If you want to excuse a dirty old man for getting handsy with women that's up to you. I, however, am under no obligation to excuse him for doing it or you for accepting it.
 
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