Mueller Investigation pt5

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JoeMorgue said:
Shouldn't the question of what this does to Trump be secondary to the rather inarguable conclusion that a foreign power basically attacked our political system?
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The question is: what's being done about it? The answer is: the president has repeatedly denied the intelligence community's findings, attacked US intelligence agencies as being corrupt and untrustworthy, expressed his view that it's untrue allegedly based on nothing more than the word of that foreign power, given concessions to that foreign power at no advantage to the US, and de-funded and dissolved the cyber-crime units that would help protect against future incursions.

This might be news to you, but some of us have been talking about this for the last couple of years.
 
Ziggurat said:
smartcooky already said that, and I already responded to him. Do keep up.
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LOL! You "responded" by simply saying "So?".

Well let me help you out: It means your characterization was wrong.

So try being more careful with ignorant comments in the future.
 
What saddens me is that I don't think the House will impeach Trump for obstruction because they know the Senate will never convict him out of pure partisanship. It would be a waste of time. Trump, as usual, is going to get away with this. What saddens me is that so many people still cannot see Trump for what he is.
 
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As I have been saying all along, NO COLLUSION - NO OBSTRUCTION!


No Collusion - No Obstruction!
 
Stacyhs said:
What saddens me is that I don't think the House will impeach Trump for obstruction because they know the Senate will never convict him out of pure partisanship. It would be a waste of time. Trump, as usual, is going to get away with this. What saddens me is that so many people still cannot see Trump for what he is.
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The Dems aren't stupid and are more politically savvy then even they give themselves credit for sometimes.

They know trying to impeach Trump and losing is more of a "win" in the vague political sense then just not trying to impeach him at all.

The last thing the Dems need is Trump be able to walk into 2020 with a "The Dems even tried to impeach me and they couldn't make that stick" narrative.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Someone brought up an interesting point. Shouldn't the question of what this does to Trump be secondary to the rather inarguable conclusion that a foreign power basically attacked our political system?

I'm half way tempted to think that if a nuclear missile was launched at the US we stop to figure out if Trump had anything to do with it before we shoot it down but that's not true. We'd figure out if Trump had anything to do with it or not and then lose interest and let it hit us.

Russia meddling with our elections is bad, regardless of how much Trump had to do with it. Everybody gets that right? The fact that this wasn't the smoking against Trump we all thought and hoped it would be doesn't make it something we shouldn't worry about.
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It's true that a major issue is that:

- Russia has tried to weaken our democracy and spread division and distrust

The other issue is:

- The democratic party has multiplied the effectiveness of Putin’s low impact meddling a thousand fold by screaming collusion, illegitimate and treason without proof.

Is there any chance of introspection? Democrats realizing that they have being acting as Putin’s useful idiots?
 
Stacyhs said:
What saddens me is that I don't think the House will impeach Trump for obstruction because they know the Senate will never convict him out of pure partisanship. It would be a waste of time. Trump, as usual, is going to get away with this. What saddens me is that so many people still cannot see Trump for what he is.
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They see it but they also don't care. The only thing that matters to today's GOP is not Liberals.



As an aside, I've read every [non-redacted] word up to page 69 of the report. Will finish the entire thing today for sure.
 
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Mueller intended for Congress to decide. “The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President' s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law.”
 
JoeMorgue said:
Russia meddling with our elections is bad, regardless of how much Trump had to do with it. Everybody gets that right?
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Your wrong. If Russia hadn't helped Trump that bitch Hillary would have stolen the election. Far from being bad, Russian 'meddling' saved us from the catastrophe of a Democrat becoming President. You know how bad that would have been, right?

Russia isn't our enemy, they are are our friends. The real enemy is liberals.

The fact that this wasn't the smoking against Trump we all thought and hoped it would be
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No collusion!

Face it liberals, you lost - again. Trump will remain president for the next 5 years (at least), and America is going to be screwed greater than ever!
 
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Roger Ramjets said:
Your wrong. If Russia hadn't helped Trump that bitch Hillary would have stolen the election. Far from being bad, Russian 'meddling' saved us from the catastrophe of a Democrat becoming President. You know how bad that would have been, right?
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I don't disagree. I'm am sure that within a metaphysical certainty that a lot people, maybe more then were willing to admit, are right now landing on "Yeah this is all bad, but it kept Hillary out of office" as their rationalization of choice right about now.
 
I see amnesia is creepin in on Trump as well. From The Guardian's ongoing live coverage of the report:
As a clearly exasperated Mueller notes, “the president stated on more than 30 occasions that he ‘does not recall’ or ‘remember’ or ‘have an independent recollection’” of information called for by the questions.

When you read Trump’s answers you can see what Mueller means. Take the first three responses the president gives relating to the Trump Tower meeting between his eldest son, Don Jr, and a group of Russians in June 2016.

They begin:

- “I have no recollection…”

- “Nor do I recall…”

- “I have no independent recollection…”

After he received these replies, Mueller went back to Trump and asked again for a face-to-face interview, given the “inadequacy of the written format”. Trump declined.
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Cabbage said:
LOL! You "responded" by simply saying "So?".
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Because that's all the post deserved.

Well let me help you out: It means your characterization was wrong.
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No, actually, it doesn't mean that at all. One would have thought that the Trump critics in particular would be clinging hard to the fact that something not being in the report doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
KDLarsen said:
I see amnesia is creepin in on Trump as well. From The Guardian's ongoing live coverage of the report:
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30 times? Don should try harder. In Comey’s recent testimony to Congress he used “I don’t recall” 245 times.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The question is: what's being done about it? The answer is: the president has repeatedly denied the intelligence community's findings, attacked US intelligence agencies as being corrupt and untrustworthy, expressed his view that it's untrue allegedly based on nothing more than the word of that foreign power, given concessions to that foreign power at no advantage to the US, and de-funded and dissolved the cyber-crime units that would help protect against future incursions.

This might be news to you, but some of us have been talking about this for the last couple of years.
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Problematic as the President's involvement with Russia was during his campaign, this kind of crap by the POTUS has been far more of a betrayal of the US. It's not gone unnoticed, but there's just so much horrible crap that he and his administration have been doing that it gets far less attention than it should.

Giz said:
It's true that a major issue is that:

- Russia has tried to weaken our democracy and spread division and distrust

The other issue is:

- The democratic party has multiplied the effectiveness of Putin’s low impact meddling a thousand fold by screaming collusion, illegitimate and treason without proof.

Is there any chance of introspection? Democrats realizing that they have being acting as Putin’s useful idiots?
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:rolleyes:

Any chance of introspection at how fast the Republican party showed that their "values" were nothing more than convenient lies? If you can't figure out the difference between the right wing crap that was fundamentally unevidenced, irrational, and politically motivated and similar concerns that arose from a whole lot of actual evidence and valid reason for concern, sorry, but your opinion isn't worth respecting. Your concern trolling is noted, though.
 
Kellyanne is giving her denial in a press conference. I only watched a couple minutes because her outright lying is hard to take.

In that time she slipped up, saying she's seen the whole report then adding, "I only saw it a short time ago." Translation: The WH has had the report for weeks but we are pretending we haven't.
 
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