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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Pixel42 said:
Did you read the article I linked? "The best aura reader in the West" was tested and failed. Even she couldn't actually do what she was famous for, and was utterly convinced she could do.

Just how many more failures would it take to convince you there's nothing in it? Note these are supposedly accomplished aura readers, not just random people. I don't know how many have been properly tested in total over the years, but if a single one could actually do what they claimed they would surely have won one of the several prizes available. Yet here we are.
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Yea ! I read it. What can I say. I don't actually know if there are auras as I cannot see anything myself. But I maintain I can feel something.

I do not believe the idea that a mechanical scanner is more sensitive than the human nervous system. It may be more sensitive than the cells of the body, but if we have an immortal spirit connected to the body through the etheric double, then some people might be sensitive to psychic energy that no machine can detect.
 
The problem with the human detection systems is humans are untrustworthy for having ulterior motives.

If I could make the same money doing etheric " work " 15 hours a week that I make in 60 hours of busting my butt fixing on junk cars I just might try.

Line those suckers up and let me fleece them. Hope is cheap and in abundance to the service provider.

Meanwhile I'll be spinning wrenches as I lack the ability and the desire to hurt people intentionally as I give them nothing and take their money.
 
Scorpion said:
Well testing one person proves nothing. Testing a large number of people would be more evidential.
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Again, we have tested more than one. They all fail.

Here is another test of people who claimed to be able to feel auras. It's in Norwegian, but it's pretty clear how the experiment is conducted. Spoiler warning, they do about as well as you would expect from random chance.

The experiment starts at 8:35.

https://tv.nrk.no/serie/folkeopplysningen/2012/KMTE61006110/avspiller


Edit: the three people tested had all agreed upon the way the test would be conducted beforehand. Didn't change them from making up silly excuses when they failed.
 
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steenkh said:
Testing a single person who is acknowledged by aura-believers to be able to sense auras, should do the trick.
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Good point. Should at least change the outlook from "science can't explain this and sceptics are just narrow-minded!" to "oh, okay, so it's possible to convincingly pretend to be able to read auras without having the ability, or even to fool yourself into thinking you have the ability".
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Good point. Should at least change the outlook from "science can't explain this and sceptics are just narrow-minded!" to "oh, okay, so it's possible to convincingly pretend to be able to read auras without having the ability, or even to fool yourself into thinking you have the ability".
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I think we've already circled this particular drain several times with "cold reading", "warm reading", "hot reading".

You can't convince someone who won't listen to evidence.
 
So people claiming to see auras can pretty much say any color they want, but should be believed? I guess I am confused, but there is no way to prove or disprove the claim. Short of a lie detector test to see if they saw an actual color and called it, I'm just not buying it. And, if they are seen visually, as they claim to often say they see "orbs" as well, I see the person as mentally ill, with hallucinations that are symptomatic.
 
Scorpion said:
It may be more sensitive than the cells of the body, but if we have an immortal spirit connected to the body through the etheric double, then some people might be sensitive to psychic energy that no machine can detect.
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A) There is absolutely no evidence of anything after the highlighted word.
B) This post is indistinguishable from trolling.
 
Scorpion said:
Because some mediums say they can see them, and because the fact remains I can feel some kind of field of energy myself. I have now discovered that even if I extend my arms full length in front of me, then turn my palms inward. then move my hands up and down. I can still feel some kind of electrical movement in my hands. That can hardly be an electromagnetic field
from my body at the distance of about three feet away. If I was giving off some kind of field of electricity that powerful I am sure it could be measured.
So it seems more likely I am sensitive to some kind of psychic energy or an auric field.
I reject the collective opinions of this forum that it is all in my mind.
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No, that doesn't make any sense at all.
If you have an aura, it covers your entire body. By claiming you can feel it with your hands, you are claiming you can feel your aura through your aura. How is this possible? Why only your hands? If you can feel your aura through your aura, then you'd be able to feel it whenever and wherever parts of your body came close to each other. You'd also be able to feel it from every person you walked past or touched. This clearly does not happen. Your claim makes no sense at all.
On the other hand, maybe it's because of the reasons everyone else here has been trying to explain to you- i.e. it's psychosomatic.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I can't remember who it was (maybe Colin Wilson??) who wrote, and I paraphrase-:

If you claim goats can fly, test it by throwing one from the top of a tower and it plummets to its death. You have not proven goats cannot fly, only that a particular goat could not, or chose not to do so. That is why it is incumbent on the claimant to produce a single example of a flying goat to prove their point.
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I doubt Colin Wilson would have said that...he was quite vehement in embracing woo... He was one of my go-to references for occult during my grossly misinformed teen years. But I may be mistaken.
 
Susheel said:
I doubt Colin Wilson would have said that...he was quite vehement in embracing woo... He was one of my go-to references for occult during my grossly misinformed teen years. But I may be mistaken.
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Likewise, I don't think the likes of Scorpion have any inkling of how many of us had these beliefs before we learned enough to discard them. But on reflection I think you're right, possibly Lyall Watson, maybe in "Supernature". I was reading the two authors voraciously at around the same time.
 
Scorpion said:
Yea ! I read it. What can I say. I don't actually know if there are auras as I cannot see anything myself. But I maintain I can feel something.

I do not believe the idea that a mechanical scanner is more sensitive than the human nervous system. It may be more sensitive than the cells of the body, but if we have an immortal spirit connected to the body through the etheric double, then some people might be sensitive to psychic energy that no machine can detect.
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First: Mechanical sensors can be made that are far more sensitive and accurate than the human body.

Second: The 'immortal spirit' that you speak of has never been scientifically demonstrated.

Third: Since you have claimed several times that you can communicate with dead people, then your various feelings on various supernatural issues are held in low regard.
 
Scorpion. This is a frequently used thread. You have pages and pages of replies. I too have communicated with you here.


I am curious. Has anything you have ever heard in a response here, made you really pause and think about, or challenge your position?

Thank you.
Julia
 
wasapi said:
Scorpion. This is a frequently used thread. You have pages and pages of replies. I too have communicated with you here.


I am curious. Has anything you have ever heard in a response here, made you really pause and think about, or challenge your position?

Thank you.
Julia
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On occasions the negative responses I have received has spoiled my day. I have wondered what the point of being here is. But the next day I dust myself off and continue. I still think my interpretation of experiences I have had are generally correct, and there is a spirit world.
 
Crossbow said:
First: Mechanical sensors can be made that are far more sensitive and accurate than the human body..
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Not to psychic energy they are not. Only the human nervous system is sensitive enough to detect it.

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Second: The 'immortal spirit' that you speak of has never been scientifically demonstrated..
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Millions of people still believe in their immortal soul in spite of lack of evidence. That fact itself may indicate we do have one
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Third: Since you have claimed several times that you can communicate with dead people, then your various feelings on various supernatural issues are held in low regard.
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The fact I heard a voice that accurately predicted the future event of my winning on the lottery an hour before the draw is a kind of evidence it was a genuine spirit communication.
The odds against getting a five number draw were 55,000 to 1 against.
The odds of hearing a voice predict you would win on the one occasion you actually won must be absolutely astronomical.
 
Scorpion said:
The fact I heard a voice that accurately predicted the future event of my winning on the lottery an hour before the draw is a kind of evidence it was a genuine spirit communication.
The odds against getting a five number draw were 55,000 to 1 against.
The odds of hearing a voice predict you would win on the one occasion you actually won must be absolutely astronomical.
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How do you imagine spirits can predict the future?
 
hgus said:
How do you imagine spirits can predict the future?
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I think its an ability that is only developed by advanced spirits. They are able to transcend time, and see into the future. I do not think it was any of my departed relatives that gave me a lottery win. It had to be an evolved soul, or even an angel of karma. They only gave me five numbers, because that is all I needed to buy an internet capable computer.
When I say they gave me the numbers, I mean that earlier in the week when I picked the numbers, I felt as if I was guided to the right ones.
 
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Scorpion said:
I think its an ability that is only developed by advanced spirits. They are able to transcend time, and see into the future. I do not think it was any of my departed relatives that gave me a lottery win. It had to be an evolved soul, or even an angel of karma. They only gave me five numbers, because that is all I needed to buy an internet capable computer.
When I say they gave me the numbers, I mean that earlier in the week when I picked the numbers, I felt as if I was guided to the right ones.
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So now there is a hierarchy system with spirits? What makes a spirit advanced?

Of course with no time frame for the numbers when they eventually came out or enough matched for you to noticed you'd say the same thing.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
So now there is a hierarchy system with spirits? What makes a spirit advanced?
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Advanced, or evolved. They are souls that have lived many lifetimes in incarnations on this and other planets, and have no further need to incarnate.
They and the angels work together behind the scenes to guide the evolution of the human race. Angels are a separate species that do not incarnate, and do not have wings. They teleport themselves by willpower.
 
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