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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Darat said:
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Didn't we have quite a detailed discussion about testing a claimed aura viewing ability quite recently? I seem to remember that a pretty simple, low cost protocol was hammered out before the claimant (on behalf of a friend iirc) retreated fast enough to red shift.
 
Scorpion said:
Thanks.

Testing only one person who claims to see auras proves nothing, It only proves he cannot see them. There could still be auras.
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It demonstrates that this person, who sincerely believes he can perceive auras, is mistaken. He has somehow managed to fool himself into thinking he can perceive auras, even though he clearly cannot. Everyone else who was likewise convinced they could perceive auras and has allowed themselves to be tested in this, or similar, ways has also been shown to have been mistaken.

Which means that whenever we encounter someone who sincerely believes they can perceive auras the default assumption must be that they, too, are mistaken, until and unless they demonstrate otherwise by passing such a test. Which not one of them ever has.
 
Scorpion said:
Thanks.

Testing only one person who claims to see auras proves nothing, It only proves he cannot see them. There could still be auras.
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Even if there was only one person in the entire world who could see an actual aura, then that would be quite remarkable discovery.

However, as of now, there is not one person in the entire world who has ever seen an actual aura.
 
Scorpion said:
Thanks.

Testing only one person who claims to see auras proves nothing, It only proves he cannot see them. There could still be auras.
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The problem is we've tested way more than one, friend. No one has been able to prove their abilities in a serious, controlled experiment. There are all kinds of excuses as to why not, but the fact remains, no one has been able to.

All we need is one black swan, but so far, we haven't seen a single one.
 
Scorpion said:
I have no idea if, or how the existence of auras can be proved.
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Then you haven't been paying attention, as we've told you exactly how. The existence of auras would be trivially easy to demonstrate - if they actually existed.

From http://skepdic.com/auras.html

For every other object of color we have scientific devices which can measure any energy emitted from the object, as well as the wavelengths of light reflected from the object. Even though equipment exists capable of measuring extremely minute energy levels, no one has ever detected an aura or the alleged energy that gives rise to an aura using scientific equipment.
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Scorpion said:
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Testing only one person who claims to see auras proves nothing, It only proves he cannot see them. There could still be auras.
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It would seem you are arguing that unless we test every single person in the world we can't say people can't see auras....
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Then why do you believe in them?
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Because some mediums say they can see them, and because the fact remains I can feel some kind of field of energy myself. I have now discovered that even if I extend my arms full length in front of me, then turn my palms inward. then move my hands up and down. I can still feel some kind of electrical movement in my hands. That can hardly be an electromagnetic field
from my body at the distance of about three feet away. If I was giving off some kind of field of electricity that powerful I am sure it could be measured.
So it seems more likely I am sensitive to some kind of psychic energy or an auric field.
I reject the collective opinions of this forum that it is all in my mind.
 
Darat said:
It would seem you are arguing that unless we test every single person in the world we can't say people can't see auras....
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Well testing one person proves nothing. Testing a large number of people would be more evidential.
 
Darat said:
It would seem you are arguing that unless we test every single person in the world we can't say people can't see auras....
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I can't remember who it was (maybe Colin Wilson??) who wrote, and I paraphrase-:

If you claim goats can fly, test it by throwing one from the top of a tower and it plummets to its death. You have not proven goats cannot fly, only that a particular goat could not, or chose not to do so. That is why it is incumbent on the claimant to produce a single example of a flying goat to prove their point.
 
I have been reading up on it, and it seems possible that if I generate a static spark near to my body without touching it, that might be enough to clear my aura of entities without risking electrocution. However I can't do that yet because of a cracked disk in my wimshurts machine. I am still negotiating with the suppliers of my machine, and I just emailed them saying I would be happy to attempt to fit a new disk myself if they send me a replacement.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I can't remember who it was (maybe Colin Wilson??) who wrote, and I paraphrase-:

If you claim goats can fly, test it by throwing one from the top of a tower and it plummets to its death. You have not proven goats cannot fly, only that a particular goat could not, or chose not to do so. That is why it is incumbent on the claimant to produce a single example of a flying goat to prove their point.
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Salvador Dali is reputed to have thrown cats off the roof, claiming something to the effect that if he threw enough of them they would evolve wings.
 
Scorpion said:
Because some mediums say they can see them, and because the fact remains I can feel some kind of field of energy myself. I have now discovered that even if I extend my arms full length in front of me, then turn my palms inward. then move my hands up and down. I can still feel some kind of electrical movement in my hands. That can hardly be an electromagnetic field
from my body at the distance of about three feet away. If I was giving off some kind of field of electricity that powerful I am sure it could be measured.
So it seems more likely I am sensitive to some kind of psychic energy or an auric field.
I reject the collective opinions of this forum that it is all in my mind.
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Its too late to edit that post, but for three feet read two feet. My arms are not three feet long.
 
Scorpion said:
Well testing one person proves nothing. Testing a large number of people would be more evidential.
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Did you read the article I linked? "The best aura reader in the West" was tested and failed. Even she couldn't actually do what she was famous for, and was utterly convinced she could do.

Just how many more failures would it take to convince you there's nothing in it? Note these are supposedly accomplished aura readers, not just random people. I don't know how many have been properly tested in total over the years, but if a single one could actually do what they claimed they would surely have won one of the several prizes available. Yet here we are.
 
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