Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Scorpion]

Why do you refuse to even consider the possibility that it's your imagination, as every carefully run experiment - not just the one done by Emily Rosa - has demonstrated?

Do you understand that every person who has been just as convinced as you about the existence of such things as auras and who has actually subjected their beliefs to careful investigation has been proved wrong?

It simply is not my imagination. I can definitely feel some kind of energy field when I move my hands around over my stomach, several inches above it.
It happens every time. Try it yourself, and see if you feel anything.

 

[Crossbow]

It simply is not my imagination. I can definitely feel some kind of energy field when I move my hands around over my stomach, several inches above it.
It happens every time. Try it yourself, and see if you feel anything.

Considering that you also communicate with dead people, then I find it difficult to accept your version of what you are feeling.

 

[Pixel42]

It simply is not my imagination. I can definitely feel some kind of energy field when I move my hands around over my stomach, several inches above it.

What people can convince themselves of and what is actually the case are two very different things, as decades of careful scientific investigation have established.

It happens every time. Try it yourself, and see if you feel anything.

I'm sure I could convince myself that I feel something if I really wanted to. But I don't, so I don't.

 

[Scorpion]

Considering that you also communicate with dead people, then I find it difficult to accept your version of what you are feeling.

Yea well, I did hear a voice tell me I would have a lottery win one hour before the draw, and that was evidence to me that it was a spirit. But I also felt my chakras and I did not even know anything about them at the time. Only when I saw a diagram of them in a book did I recognise the locations as the places where I had felt very strong feeling like fire flowing through me. It was that which started me on a study of the occult and a rejection of the psychiatric view of things.

I could also sometimes feel spiritual healing as a kind of heat from the healers hands, and they did not tell me to expect that, I just felt it.

I have also said I could feel the atmosphere in old churches. That too was a kind of enveloping warmth which had nothing to do with central heating.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Above all, don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others.

-Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

That's the point of the scientific method, to stop us lying to ourselves.

 

[Crossbow]

Yea well, I did hear a voice tell me I would have a lottery win one hour before the draw, and that was evidence to me that it was a spirit. But I also felt my chakras and I did not even know anything about them at the time. Only when I saw a diagram of them in a book did I recognise the locations as the places where I had felt very strong feeling like fire flowing through me. It was that which started me on a study of the occult and a rejection of the psychiatric view of things.

I could also sometimes feel spiritual healing as a kind of heat from the healers hands, and they did not tell me to expect that, I just felt it.

I have also said I could feel the atmosphere in old churches. That too was a kind of enveloping warmth which had nothing to do with central heating.

What an astounding reply.

 

[Thor 2]

What an astounding reply.

Yes indeed. Chakras, astral entities, spirits and so on. Just no end to it is there?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Yes indeed. Chakras, astral entities, spirits and so on. Just no end to it is there?

For every fact there's an infinite number of fantasies.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

How exactly can auras be easily disproved?

The correct question is, "How exactly can auras be easily proved?"

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Just a small piece of off topic info. I am not totally paranoid. I just received two pages of information in answer to my request for info about me held on the police national computer. Apart from general things It goes into unexpected details about me, including the colour of my eyes, my shoe size and that I am right handed. What is conspicuous by its absence is any reference to my psychological status. They have obviously with held that.

Told you they were watching me.

Your birth certificate probably shows your eyes color. You mention that you have been detained by the police. The shoe size and the dominant hand info may have come from there.

 

[wasapi]

What an astounding reply.

Yes. Astounding. Particularly in it's lack of self-awareness. The sheer inability to appeal to logic. Astounding, and sad all at once.

 

[The Shrike]

Maybe I just like seeing if I can maintain my views under fire.

But you can't. We're 54 pages into a split thread and you've provided exactly bupkis to support your claims while others (myself included) have provided multiple alternative explanations that are vastly more likely.

"No matter what these folks say they cannot change my mind." <--- That's not character or courage or intelligence. Anyone can stick their fingers in their ears and shout lalalalala when faced with alternative viewpoints. Real courage and real character is to be found in objectively considering the evidence before, and jettisoning that which is unsupported no matter how badly you wish it to be so.

 

[Scorpion]

But you can't. We're 54 pages into a split thread and you've provided exactly bupkis to support your claims while others (myself included) have provided multiple alternative explanations that are vastly more likely.

"No matter what these folks say they cannot change my mind." <--- That's not character or courage or intelligence. Anyone can stick their fingers in their ears and shout lalalalala when faced with alternative viewpoints. Real courage and real character is to be found in objectively considering the evidence before, and jettisoning that which is unsupported no matter how badly you wish it to be so.

My experience is my experience, not all of you put together can take it away from me.

 

[Pixel42]

For the umpteenth time it's not your experience that we question, it's your interpretation of your experience.

You're like a man who attended a David Copperfield show and came away convinced that it's possible for someone to saw himself in half and put himself back together again. No matter how many times well meaning people try to get him to understand that it was a trick he refuses to consider alternative explanations because "My experience is my experience, not all of you put together can take it away from me".

The only difference is that David Copperfield does not claim to have supernatural abilities, unlike the tricksters you listen to (who in many cases may actually believe they do, having fooled themselves as thoroughly as they've fooled you).
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[LongFuzzy]

To put it plainly, we believe that you have the experience of hearing voices.

Your interpretation is that the voices are spirits.

Our interpretation is that your brain chemistry is not what is should be, and with proper medication your brain chemistry can be adjusted so that you do not hear voices.

Even if you don't agree, do you at least understand?

 

[kali1137]

You also are, potentially, crying out for something from this forum. Were it merely attention, you could get that at some kind of spiritualist forum. That makes me wonder if deep down you really want to be told how the spiritualist bunk you've literally bought into is a waste of time, effort, and money.

If that's not what you want, then what is it? You don't seem to have any interest in debate or science or trying to convert skeptics to your brand of spiritualism. I guess my question for you is what you hope to get out of your time here? How can we help you?

Still looking for the answer to this...……………..

 

[abaddon]

It simply is not my imagination. I can definitely feel some kind of energy field when I move my hands around over my stomach, several inches above it.
It happens every time. Try it yourself, and see if you feel anything.

No you can't. I told you, it is a trivial effect that can easily be induced by suggestion. Even self-suggestion.

 

[Scorpion]

No you can't. I told you, it is a trivial effect that can easily be induced by suggestion. Even self-suggestion.

You are telling me I can't feel what I feel. BUT I CAN STILL FEEL IT.

 

[Scorpion]

To put it plainly, we believe that you have the experience of hearing voices.

Your interpretation is that the voices are spirits.

Our interpretation is that your brain chemistry is not what is should be, and with proper medication your brain chemistry can be adjusted so that you do not hear voices.

Even if you don't agree, do you at least understand?

No, I hear voices of several kinds. I very occasionally hear a voice in my head, which can be a male or a female, and which I assume is spirits telling me something they want me to know. They speak without sound as a kind of telepathy.
I also hear voices whispering in my ears and I don't know what they are. I subscribe to the possibility they are unintelligent astral entities, and that's why I have been trying to get rid of them with electricity. but they may well be my subconscious mind talking to me. Whatever they are they make little sense and I ignore them. I have been ignoring them for fifty years, and no drug I have been on stops them,

 

[steenkh]

It simply is not my imagination. I can definitely feel some kind of energy field when I move my hands around over my stomach, several inches above it.
It happens every time. Try it yourself, and see if you feel anything.

Tried it lots of times. No unusual heat. But then, I do not expect heat, except from the 37°C that my hands usually have.

I could also sometimes feel spiritual healing as a kind of heat from the healers hands, and they did not tell me to expect that, I just felt it.

But you probably did know that you seeing a healer, right? So you did expect something.

I have also said I could feel the atmosphere in old churches. That too was a kind of enveloping warmth which had nothing to do with central heating.

And surely something you would not feel if you had not known that you were in a church.

There is nothing wrong with all these feeling of warmth that you definitely felt. What is wrong is to refuse to accept the possibility that it is generated in your brain and not from outside.