Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

wasapi said:
But why can't they co-exist? If there is God and a spirit world, it would make sense to listen to doctors, who would be created by God, and spirit worlds are about healing, increasing knowledge, thru doctors, perhaps. Wasn't the son of God a healer?


Wouldn't you like to experience peace and joy?
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Scorpion, could you please respond?
 
Scorpion said:
Voltage divided by resistance equals current. The device I used applies volts by sticky pads, not needles. So the skin is not broken and skin resistance is therefore a factor. The device used pulsed volts on a cycle of every couple of seconds.
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So, not electroacupuncture then. From this new description it sounds like you might have a TENS unit masquerading as electroacupuncture.(For those against 'big pharma'?) If it is really a TENS unit, then it should be safe to use as these are used to treat pain, although there doesn't seem to be any studies proving that they are effective. But at least you shouldn't electrocute yourself.
 
wasapi said:
Scorpion, could you please respond?
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Psychiatrists I have spoken with only humoured me when I told them I could feel my chakras. In any case doctors and psychiatrists on the national health service are over worked, and have no time to talk to schizophrenics about bizarre beliefs like mine. They just want to know how many drugs you need.

I have always had to work things out for myself.

As for peace and joy, that's more than I expect out of life.
 
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LongFuzzy said:
So, not electroacupuncture then. From this new description it sounds like you might have a TENS unit masquerading as electroacupuncture.(For those against 'big pharma'?) If it is really a TENS unit, then it should be safe to use as these are used to treat pain, although there doesn't seem to be any studies proving that they are effective. But at least you shouldn't electrocute yourself.
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Thanks , yes it is a TENS device.
 
Well, that does ease my mind. However, I'd like to restate a previous question.

How are astral entities are affected by electricity?
 
Scorpion said:
As for peace and joy, that's more than I expect out of life.
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That's too bad, it sounds as if you are an under-achiever when it comes to taking care of yourself. Being spiritual, you know how we are influenced - controlled - by our thoughts. What would the harm be to try a more positive approach in your thoughts, instead of sending electricity into your body?

Perhaps, you don't think you deserve joy in your life.

Listen, Scorpion. I really think you are good guy. Misguided, but you are not wishing or doing anyone else any harm. Any destructive behavior is what you may be doing to yourself, but I believe you are a good soul.


And, you do deserve to experience joy.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
Well, that does ease my mind. However, I'd like to restate a previous question.

How are astral entities are affected by electricity?
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Tom Johanson said astral entities feel static electricity as fire burning them, so they exit an obsessed person to escape the feeling.
 
Scorpion said:
There is no psychology involved in what I feel. there is definitely some kind of electrical energy between my palms and my stomach, even when they are a foot above it. I would really like to get everyone to try moving their hands around above their stomach and say if they can feel movement in their palms.
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I am telling you that it is a trivial exercise on the basis of personal experience both feeling such an effect and inducing it in others intentionally.

You are not even not even willing to consider that as a possibility.

What does that tell you about yourself?
 
I do own and travel with a TENS device.


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I’ve had recurring lower back issues my entire adult life, usually 2 or 3 times a year. Anecdotally, if I feel a spasm getting underway, going to sleep with the TENS device on a timer, does seem to help in a way similar to deep massage. Though at that point I also usually take a muscle relaxant at the same time, so teasing out which is helping more is problematical. But I can’t honestly guess what effect either might have on astral entities or demons or whatever.

The device seems harmless, though I personally would avoid using it in the chest area. And certainly if one had a pacemaker - I don’t - I’d seek professional advice before using one.
 
Yeah, I don't get a sense that anyone here dislikes you, Scorpion. I certainly don't. If you're not merely trolling, then you seem to be a guy who's caught some tough breaks in life. If I may speak for other folks here, we like to think that one reason many of us are drawn to skepticism and critical thinking is precisely to help vulnerable people (like you) from falling prey to snake oil salesmen (i.e., every damn "spiritual healer" you've mentioned).

You also are, potentially, crying out for something from this forum. Were it merely attention, you could get that at some kind of spiritualist forum. That makes me wonder if deep down you really want to be told how the spiritualist bunk you've literally bought into is a waste of time, effort, and money.

If that's not what you want, then what is it? You don't seem to have any interest in debate or science or trying to convert skeptics to your brand of spiritualism. I guess my question for you is what you hope to get out of your time here? How can we help you?
 
Scorpion said:
So there is some kind of electrical field around the human body then?

Edit, never mind, I found the answer. Its yes.

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-evid...-possible-for-it-to-contain-ionized-particles
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Good grief. Of course there is an EM field around the human body. That is not the point. The ppoint actually is that it is tiny and nobody can "feel" it. All that "auric healing" crap is just that. Nobody is directly feeling or adjusting auras and anyone who claims they are is lying to you. I am stating that it is a trivial exercise to bamboozle people into thinking they feel and detect such nebulous things merely by the power of suggestion. It's easy. I have done it many times. The subject will swear blind that they really felt it even though it is simply a suggestion I have intentionally planted in their mind.

Somehow, you twist this into support for your crackpot ideas. Don't do that.
 
abaddon said:
Good grief. Of course there is an EM field around the human body. That is not the point. The ppoint actually is that it is tiny and nobody can "feel" it. All that "auric healing" crap is just that. Nobody is directly feeling or adjusting auras and anyone who claims they are is lying to you. I am stating that it is a trivial exercise to bamboozle people into thinking they feel and detect such nebulous things merely by the power of suggestion. It's easy. I have done it many times. The subject will swear blind that they really felt it even though it is simply a suggestion I have intentionally planted in their mind.

Somehow, you twist this into support for your crackpot ideas. Don't do that.
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Like I have said, I can DEFINATELY feel something in my fingers and palms when I wave my hands over my stomach several inches away from my body.
If you and other people cannot, maybe it is my aura, and I am sensitive to it.
 
The Shrike said:
Yeah, I don't get a sense that anyone here dislikes you, Scorpion. I certainly don't. If you're not merely trolling, then you seem to be a guy who's caught some tough breaks in life. If I may speak for other folks here, we like to think that one reason many of us are drawn to skepticism and critical thinking is precisely to help vulnerable people (like you) from falling prey to snake oil salesmen (i.e., every damn "spiritual healer" you've mentioned).

You also are, potentially, crying out for something from this forum. Were it merely attention, you could get that at some kind of spiritualist forum. That makes me wonder if deep down you really want to be told how the spiritualist bunk you've literally bought into is a waste of time, effort, and money.

If that's not what you want, then what is it? You don't seem to have any interest in debate or science or trying to convert skeptics to your brand of spiritualism. I guess my question for you is what you hope to get out of your time here? How can we help you?
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Maybe I just like seeing if I can maintain my views under fire. I have learned some things from being here though. I am still considering writing a book, and it will be somewhat modified by skeptical opinions I have read here.
 
Scorpion said:
Like I have said, I can DEFINATELY feel something in my fingers and palms when I wave my hands over my stomach several inches away from my body.
If you and other people cannot, maybe it is my aura, and I am sensitive to it.
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Hmm, I should have guessed that someone believing in spirits and chakras also believe in auras. But I did not, and the ability of people to accept whatever nonsense is presented to them, even easily disproven stuff like auras.

When was a small child in the 1950's there was also talk of auras that I did not understand. Grown-ups could apparently see auras, but I could not. However, I realized I could smell them, because I knew when there were old people around, even when I could not see them! It was only much later that I learned about incontinence, and found that it was at the root of my supernatural ability ...
 
steenkh said:
Hmm, I should have guessed that someone believing in spirits and chakras also believe in auras. But I did not, and the ability of people to accept whatever nonsense is presented to them, even easily disproven stuff like auras.

When was a small child in the 1950's there was also talk of auras that I did not understand. Grown-ups could apparently see auras, but I could not. However, I realized I could smell them, because I knew when there were old people around, even when I could not see them! It was only much later that I learned about incontinence, and found that it was at the root of my supernatural ability ...
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How exactly can auras be easily disproved?
 
Scorpion said:
Yea ! well I can feel something, I don't know if it is an electromagnetic energy field, or my aura.
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Why do you refuse to even consider the possibility that it's your imagination, as every carefully run experiment - not just the one done by Emily Rosa - has demonstrated?

Do you understand that every person who has been just as convinced as you about the existence of such things as auras and who has actually subjected their beliefs to careful investigation has been proved wrong?
 
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