Trump immigrant family separation policy

[Upchurch]

I don't care if it's a wall or not, but it seems like doing nothing at all is the way my state wants to go.

What, you can drive right over the border with no passport, no stops, no checks, no nothing? Nothing at all? Is that what you're saying?

So I ask citizens, not big business or politicians, do you want these policies? Do you want illegals to come in this country freely? Most people do not.

I don't mind if immigrants come to the country. I would prefer it be legally, but if they aren't, it isn't the end of the world. I would also prefer that people obey traffic laws and be polite to each other on the street.

It's a matter of keeping perspective. This xenophobic anti-immigrant thing Trump is pushing so hard does not have it.

Wall - people are not arrested or held in facilities like the ones everybody is complaining about here, no more family separation because we don't apprehend them.

Interesting. You realize we're apprehending families turning themselves in to authorities, seeking refugee status and then separating them from their children? Do you not find this a bit ...extreme?

[How about some solutions? Anyone else here have one?

I have a solution. Fund the immigration courts the way they really need to be funded so that these people can be processed the way they ought to be processed: quickly, humanely, and with justice.

The solutions Trump looking for are for problems that don't really exist.

 

[Aridas]

Wouldn't the Californian agricultural industry suffer massively if illegal immigrants weren't employed?

Just about all agriculture would suffer lots. That's one of the main reasons that they've pointedly resisted, for example, E-Verify, and one of the main reasons why there was lots of sound and fury from the Republican Party (which is overwhelmingly favored by those in agriculture), but little action, let alone effective action.

Still sounds like a really bad idea from a consideration of the good of the people of the state.

There's always doing things the legal way, but legal workers are notably harder to exploit.

All this is a bit of a tangent, though, when it comes to this thread. This thread is more specifically about the Family Separation Policy of the Trump Administration, rather than immigration policies in general.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1103442964431421440

Breaking: Trump admin has identified 471 parents who were removed from the US without their children and “without being given the opportunity to elect or waive reunification in accordance with the preliminary injunction”. This follows ACLU request. @priscialva reporting

 

[ponderingturtle]

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1103442964431421440

Yea and that was when they even bothered to keep records.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Neilson will be questioned today by Congress on, amongst other things, whether she previously committed perjury when she claimed there was no family separation policy

 

[Aridas]

Neilson will be questioned today by Congress on, amongst other things, whether she previously committed perjury when she claimed there was no family separation policy

Looks like she did what she could to evade those questions.

To mostly repeat what I wrote elsewhere... As might be expected by pretty much everyone paying attention at all, it was not a good time for her as she tried to evade or mislead in response to a bunch of questions and outright lied to Congress yet again. It reminded me yet again that the Far Right do have slightly legitimate concerns about violence from the left. After all, listening to her definitely made me want to slap her at times because of how shameless her lies and BS was.

May she be punished properly by the law for her crimes.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Officials detained a 9 year old US citizen for more than 30 hours

 

[quadraginta]

Officials detained a 9 year old US citizen for more than 30 hours

Just doing their job.

Just following orders.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Officials detained a 9 year old US citizen for more than 30 hours

after she tried to cross the U.S-Mexico border on her walk to school.

The incompetence is astounding.

 

[Baylor]

Officials detained a 9 year old US citizen for more than 30 hours

“C.B.P. prioritizes the safety of the minors we encounter,” he said. “It’s important that C.B.P. officials positively confirm the identity of a child traveling without a parent or legal guardian.”

It's obvious you didn't even read the article.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

“C.B.P. prioritizes the safety of the minors we encounter,” he said. “It’s important that C.B.P. officials positively confirm the identity of a child traveling without a parent or legal guardian.”

It's obvious you didn't even read the article.

Because a 9 yr old can't walk to school? WTF?

The representative said both children had United States passport cards at the time.

“The younger child provided inconsistent information during her inspection, and C.B.P. officers took the 9-year-old into custody to perform due diligence in confirming her identity and citizenship,” the spokesperson said.

What do you want to bet they intimidated the 9 yr old telling her she was going to jail?

 

[xjx388]

Because a 9 yr old can't walk to school? WTF?

What do you want to bet they intimidated the 9 yr old telling her she was going to jail?

Ok, c’mon...do you really think a 9 year old crossing an international border is a commonplace occurrence? It’s not. Especially in this climate.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

“C.B.P. prioritizes the safety of the minors we encounter,” he said. “It’s important that C.B.P. officials positively confirm the identity of a child traveling without a parent or legal guardian.”

It's obvious you didn't even read the article.

Sure I did. Including past the part that you quoted.

But Thelma Galaxia, Julia’s mother, told the station that while her daughter was detained, officials accused her of lying about her identity.

“My daughter told her brother that the officer told her that if she admitted that she was her cousin, she would be released soon so she could see her mom,” Galaxia said.

Julia’s older brother also told the station that official accusing him of smuggling and committing other crimes he said he did not understand.

“He was told that he would be taken to jail and they were going to charge him for human trafficking and sex trafficking,” Galaxia said.

“I was scared. I was sad because I didn't have my mom or my brother. I was completely by myself,” Julia said of the ordeal.

 

[bruto]

Ok, c’mon...do you really think a 9 year old crossing an international border is a commonplace occurrence? It’s not. Especially in this climate.

Well, if you read the article you might notice it was a commonplace occurrence for this kid, who is said to do it every day, though usually in a different way. And she was not doing it alone. She was with her 14 year old brother. They both had correct documentation. The authorities determined quickly enough that the brother was a citizen (after initially accusing him of smuggling), but apparently decided he and his sister were lying about her? And it took over a day to get it right? Is it so hard just to acknowledge that, whatever you think of policies, this time the authorities just plain screwed up?

 

[Checkmite]

What do you want to bet they intimidated the 9 yr old telling her she was going to jail?

It sounds like that's precisely what happened. And the brother too; they allegedly threatened him with jail unless he signed a statement declaring that his sister was really his cousin, which statement they then used as probable cause to (continue to) detain the girl.

 

[ponderingturtle]

It sounds like that's precisely what happened. And the brother too; they allegedly threatened him with jail unless he signed a statement declaring that his sister was really his cousin, which statement they then used as probable cause to (continue to) detain the girl.

Ah so really SOP and everything was working as it is supposed to.

 

[bruto]

It remains, of course, a bit speculative exactly who said what, and how the whole mistake was made.

I think a good exercise would be for some regular, all-American white kids to be subjected to the same kind of treatment, intimidation and assumption of wrongdoing that seems to be the norm here, to provide a baseline for "inconsistent information" and bad behavior. Maybe if you work at the border, you should be willing to volunteer your own little kids to do it, and have them videotaped for general education.

Of course put that way it sounds like a crazy, cruel, and inappropriate thing to do, which by itself says something about the whole procedure.

 

[ponderingturtle]

It remains, of course, a bit speculative exactly who said what, and how the whole mistake was made.

Why assume it was a mistake? Harassing the darkies even if they are citizens is one of the main goals of border patrol. I mean this isn't really any different than arresting US citizens for speaking spanish in a gas station in Minnesota now is it?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Because a 9 yr old can't walk to school? WTF?

What do you want to bet they intimidated the 9 yr old telling her she was going to jail?

Have you ever heard of the phenomenon of a person using documents that do not belong to them with the hope that the inspecting officer will believe they are the true bearer and admit them as a US citizen?

Would you believe that it is commonplace to ask questions of the person presenting the document in order to verify that they are who the document says they are, and if answers are inconsistent then it becomes reasonable to suspect the presenter may fall into the category described in the above paragraph? I believe such a person can be called an "impostor."

 

[quadraginta]

“C.B.P. prioritizes the safety of the minors we encounter,” he said. “It’s important that C.B.P. officials positively confirm the identity of a child traveling without a parent or legal guardian.”

It's obvious you didn't even read the article.

Because a 9 yr old can't walk to school? WTF?

The representative said both children had United States passport cards at the time.

“The younger child provided inconsistent information during her inspection, and C.B.P. officers took the 9-year-old into custody to perform due diligence in confirming her identity and citizenship,” the spokesperson said.

What do you want to bet they intimidated the 9 yr old telling her she was going to jail?

Just following orders.