Mueller Investigation pt5

[acbytesla]

I've mentioned this quote before recently, but the response to the Mueller report's release has really refreshed its relevance:

How many people here, upon hearing that Mueller found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, were disappointed rather than relieved? If you felt the former and not the latter, well, the impulse is quite human and understandable. But it is also wrong.

I was neither. I just am skeptical. Because, then why the hell is everyone lying? You see the entire Trump administration seems based on deception and corruption. They are incapable of integrity and honesty,

 

[JoeMorgue]

I was neither. I just am skeptical. Because, then why the hell is everyone lying? You see the entire Trump administration seems based on deception and corruption. They are incapable of integrity and honesty,

//Slight hijack//

There's this weird quirk of language I've noticed sometimes. You ever been reading/hearing someone honestly describe someone else's dishonesty and creates this weird... twilight zone language purgatory where it honest tone and dishonest information creates this weird truth/lie hybrid in emotional impact and intellectual rigor?

Like describing another person's lie that you don't believe yourself is... oddly difficult in some circumstances.

//Have no idea if that made sense or got my point across.//

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Wait? The Report is done and now the GOP don't want it released? Must be pretty damning of Trump.

That would be like everyone actually looking at undocumented immigrants who the majority of are excellent citizens, the GOP bogey man wouldn't look nearly as scary. Release the report and the bullies persecuting Trump wouldn't look like bullies.

It's like Trump and his team are off on a rebound to beat all rebounds today. They've launched a campaign to scream and cry over the investigation, yadda yadda...

It's hard to watch any news today with Trump, Trump Jr and Suckabee out there pounding away at the persecution of Trump. And Trump threw in yet another ExOrder negating Obama's lightbulb energy efficiency interpretation of the legislation. Whoopee, let's all go out and get us some incandescent bulbs.

And, the DoJ is siding with a TX federal judge that said any shreds left of the ACA should be nullified. No matter that would throw hospitals and health insurers into chaos.

 

[Toontown]

That's by design. It's a feature, not a bug.

"We need some tough Alpha Male to go in and cut through all the wishy-washy pansy B.S and tweak them sissy limp wristed liberals" was his campaign slogan in everything but literally and coming out and saying it.

Thanks. I feel so much better now, knowing there is a method to their madness. A gubbermint built upon the desire to drive limp-wristed libruls to distraction is much better than a gubbermint modeled on a criminal organization.

Unless it's both.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Thanks. I feel so much better now, knowing there is a method to their madness. A gubbermint built upon the desire to drive limp-wristed libruls to distraction is much better than a gubbermint modeled on a criminal organization.

Unless it's both.

It's both...ish.

They are gonna do anything that they see as "making steam come out of those tree hugging, Latte sipping, safe space needing hippies's ears."

Problem is they see actual honest outrage at blatantly illegal acts as "LOL Lookit the triggered snowflakes"

 

[uke2se]

I'm not being funny here but we know Trump's not going to be indicted over anything in the Mueller report, so what else do we really need to know that isn't just pure details or that vague "Political damage" thing yet again?

Some answers would be nice. There's also the option of indicting him once he's out of office. It is also - of course - vital for the 2020 election for the people to know whether or not the President is a crook how much of a crook the President is. There are a few swing-voters left, although they are a dying breed.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

The Mainstream Media is under fire and being scorned all over the World as being corrupt and FAKE. For two years they pushed the Russian Collusion Delusion when they always knew there was No Collusion. They truly are the Enemy of the People and the Real Opposition Party!

Bet he doesn't have a clue what it means that he just Tweeted: the opposition party is the enemy of the people.

 

[Ziggurat]

I was, and continue to be, confused.

The report does not jibe with things we've actually seen Trump do. He asked Russia on live TV to hack Clinton's email.

That was a joke. And obviously so.

They then hacked Clinton's email.

No they didn't. They hacked the DNC's email. The DNC servers did not contain Hillary's state department emails, which is what Trump was talking about.

Giuliani demonstrated accurate foreknowledge of a Wikileaks hacked email dump.

Don't you mean Roger Stone? And Wikileaks publicly announced the emails would be released before they were released.

As president, Trump has arguably quo'ed Russia's quid several times in ways that are otherwise inexplicable.

Argument from incredulity? Really?

And there's been plenty of moves that hurt Russian interests. How do you explain those if there was supposedly collusion?

 

[Ziggurat]

I was neither. I just am skeptical. Because, then why the hell is everyone lying?

That's a big chunk of the logic behind JFK conspiracies. A bunch of people were lying to investigators. But they weren't lying to cover up JFK's assassination, they were lying to cover up their own personal little secrets, which had no broader significance.

Furthermore, until the FBI starts recording their interviews, I don't trust one god damn accusation of lying from anyone in that organization. It's really unconscionable that this is standard procedure. The FBI has some serious institutional rot which predates this whole mess.

 

[Belz...]

No he's a troll. Pure and simple. That's what he was elected to do, that's what he's doing with amazing consistency, and that's why he keeps winning, because he and his followers are not using the same definition of "winning" as everybody else.

It's easy to win when you're playing a different game altogether.

 

[JoeMorgue]

It's easy to win when you're playing a different game altogether.

There's an old joke about how you should never play Chess with a Pigeon because it doesn't matter how good of a chess player you are, the pigeon is just going to crap on the board and strut around anyway. And the response to that is not to play better chess.

 

[Belz...]

That was a joke. And obviously so.

1) Can you honestly say that you can know when Trump is making a joke and when he's being serious?

2) And then the Russians did it. Or did they do it prior to it? Anyway, strange, but not impossible, coincidence.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Here's a scary but somewhat plausible thought.

What if Trump honestly think's he's the one playing the Russians?

 

[Belz...]

Here's a scary but somewhat plausible thought.

What if Trump honestly think's he's the one playing the Russians?

I wouldn't put that thought past him.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I wouldn't put that thought past him.

It squares the "Trump is in Putin's back pocket" and "Trump is openly antagonist toward's Russia and wants to start a War with them" circles.

 

[Toontown]

Which doesn't phase me in the slightest. In fact, as the "people of the United States" become an unrecognizable mess that the founding fathers and all successive generations from their era up until a few decades ago would reject completely, I become increasingly disinterested in their will being followed and in fact become quite keen on increasing measures for voter suppression and disenfranchisement.

You should be slightly phased, mainly about the fact that millions of other people are looking at you and thinking the same thing - "Jeez, we gotta stop this guy from voting, by all necessary means."

What did bother me, however, was when Trump rejected Trump's agenda.

You didn't see that coming?

The "Trump agenda", such as it is, amounts to blowing hot air out his ovoid blowhole in various configurations which are calculated to get votes. Such an agenda quickly becomes a casualty of contact with reality.

The upshot being that you will all be flashy-thinged to forget the former agenda. You will then be reprogrammed to want a different agenda which can only be achieved by Trump.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw3NPctk8DBNNi2zgrL7K_Ww&ust=1553701668135540

 

[Ziggurat]

1) Can you honestly say that you can know when Trump is making a joke and when he's being serious?

A lot of the time, yes. I don't watch everything he does, so maybe there are some ambiguous cases, but this wasn't one.

2) And then the Russians did it. Or did they do it prior to it? Anyway, strange, but not impossible, coincidence.

Once again, no, they did not do it. Trump joked that the Russians should release her state department emails. The Russians hacked the DNC emails. These emails are not the same emails. Why does this myth persist?

One of the points made over and over in defense of Clinton's email mess is that there's no evidence that the Russians ever hacked her server. It's more than a little ironic that many of the people who made that argument are now abandoning it to try to get Trump.

 

[acbytesla]

That's a big chunk of the logic behind JFK conspiracies. A bunch of people were lying to investigators. But they weren't lying to cover up JFK's assassination, they were lying to cover up their own personal little secrets, which had no broader significance.

Furthermore, until the FBI starts recording their interviews, I don't trust one god damn accusation of lying from anyone in that organization. It's really unconscionable that this is standard procedure. The FBI has some serious institutional rot which predates this whole mess.

COMPLETE UNADULTERATED FECES.

Most people don't lie without reasons. The problem isn't the FBI. It's Trump and his associates. They probably were just covering up other corruption and not necessarily collusion.

You're blaming the cop for being naturally suspicious of your guilty behavior. Like he's bad when he didn't find drugs in your car when what you were really worried about were the bodies in your basement.

 

[wareyin]

1) Can you honestly say that you can know when Trump is making a joke and when he's being serious?

A lot of the time, yes. I don't watch everything he does, so maybe there are some ambiguous cases, but this wasn't one.

It's a bit like Christians who know when the Bible is being allegorical and when it isn't. Decide what you want to believe, then find evidence for it. Zigg wants to believe it was a joke, so he says it was obvious. And in fairness, in some interviews at the time Trump said it was "in fun". Also in fairness, Trump said he was serious about the request in other interviews at the time. Conservatives and Trump defenders get to claim joke and ignore the stuff they don't like, while people outside of the conservative news bubble get to remember Trump saying he was serious about it, and both are correct in a way.

 

[Belz...]

Once again, no, they did not do it. Trump joked that the Russians should release her state department emails. The Russians hacked the DNC emails. These emails are not the same emails. Why does this myth persist?

They're not the same e-mails, yes. But it's still a very strange coincidence.

One of the points made over and over in defense of Clinton's email mess is that there's no evidence that the Russians ever hacked her server. It's more than a little ironic that many of the people who made that argument are now abandoning it to try to get Trump.

You must have me confused with someone else. If you didn't mean, then why mention this?