Mueller Investigation pt5

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Ziggurat said:
Yeah, that lawsuit isn't going to go anywhere. It's a Hail Mary attempt to get anything to stick, but it won't work.
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I think your characterization is completely wrong here. I have the found the party involved to be completely honest in their offense taken to what they see as foreign influence over the president through his businesses.
 
How are Americans not thrilled that they found nothing rising to the level of a prosecutable crime?
 
alfaniner said:
Geez, five new pages in this thread since yesterday, and I have no desire to read through them.

I'm really doubting anything new or interesting has been presented after the first 30 or so posts after the release.
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You've been a member here since 2001, so I will assume you spent time in the 9/11 conspiracy theories thread. Remember how the truthers reacted when the 9/11 Commission Report, NIST's report on WTC 1 & 2, and then again on WTC 7 didn't prove an inside job…? The same kind of reaction is all you've missed in this thread. To analogize further: the true believers are starting to dig through photos of Ground Zero to find Thermate burns on steel columns.
 
I think a lot of people across the entire broad range of opinions had... latched onto the Mueller report as something it wasn't, wasn't intended to be, and never could have been.

I've half jokingly mentioned in the past that the way "Point Scoring" works in modern American political discourse that everyone is waiting for some moment where "the jury" is going to stop deliberating and pass some final judgement on politics, declaring one of the two vague "sides" the "winner."

Clinton's Impeachment, the Mueller Report, dozens of other examples... the reason these never felt like anything was really accomplished when they were all said and done is because people were treating them as if the very political spectrum was what was on trail in those cases.

I actually wish I could go back in time and experience, unfiltered and in the moment with no hindsight, what the "feel" was during Watergate. I wouldn't be surprised if the agreed, unspoken but understood, feeling under the surface during Watergate was that it was the entire "Republican/Right/Conservative/Etc" mindset that was on trail and that a win that would finally give the "Democrats/Left/Liberal/Etc" mindset the keys to the kingdom. I do wonder if something very deep and basic "broke" in American street level politics when that didn't happen.
 
Drewbot said:
How are Americans not thrilled that they found nothing rising to the level of a prosecutable crime?
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Presumably because it doesn't mean no crime has been committed. The issue is that Trump has such a cartoonish disregard for the law, you must know there's something down there.

Money laundering is my bet.
 
Belz... said:
Even if it was, it's not the same as Mueller's report, so some media reporting Barr's as Mueller's are, let's say, misrepresenting the truth.
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If only there was some way to capture the amount of spin in news over a report that we do not know the actual contents of yet because that would be an excellent source of green energy. Hopefully Trump and the GOP live up to their word and release the report so we can see what Mueller found.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump has a pattern of accusing people of the kind of crimes he committed.
So I'm 99% certain that Trump was born in Kenya.
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"People who are homophobic wind up being gay so often I'm beginning to genuinely fear I'm secretly a spider." - Internet comment I once read.
 
Based on Barr's i letter to Congress it would appear Americans can now publicly ask a foreign adversary for help to win an election " Russia if you're listening can you give us all the dirt you have on all the Presidential candidates. You will be greatly rewarded"
 
dejudge said:
Based on Barr's i letter to Congress it would appear Americans can now publicly ask a foreign adversary for help to win an election " Russia if you're listening can you give us all the dirt you have on all the Presidential candidates. You will be greatly rewarded"
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Probably not the rewarded part, but the rest yes. That was obvious before this.
 
dejudge said:
Based on Barr's i letter to Congress it would appear Americans can now publicly ask a foreign adversary for help to win an election " Russia if you're listening can you give us all the dirt you have on all the Presidential candidates. You will be greatly rewarded"
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What's the problem? We already knew, from the Reagan administration, that the President can publicly declare nuclear war on Russia with no repercussions.
 
dejudge said:
Based on Barr's i letter to Congress it would appear Americans can now publicly ask a foreign adversary for help to win an election " Russia if you're listening can you give us all the dirt you have on all the Presidential candidates. You will be greatly rewarded"
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This will make the DNC and Hillary very sad after spending all that money on dirt from Russia.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh there will be, it just won't be for anything to do with Russia's hacking of the 2016 election.

Individual-1 has not been cleared of his crimes
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Zig was clearly referring to charges regarding collusion or obstruction in these matters, not that Trump will never be charged with anything for the remainder of his life.
 
acbytesla said:
Not charging him is not the same as clearing him. I DON'T think ANYONE thought he would be indicted by his own justice department.
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The letter comes as close to clearing him of collusion as one could expect. They couldn't find evidence of a conspiracy.

That's not just not indicting him. That's saying the evidence was not there, not that it was a close call but they decided not to. (The obstruction issue is, of course, a closer call.)

Assuming the letter is an accurate representation of Mueller's findings, I don't think that it's too inaccurate to say he was cleared of collusion.
 
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