Thank you for stating it so well.
Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?
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smartcooky
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Oh please spare me your utter bollocks. You are swinging to the extreme (which actually doesn't surprise me given the rubbish you have posted in this thread so far). You know perfectly well that what I am suggesting is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE RUSSIA OR CHINA. Its more like what Germany has... From a 2017 NYT article...
"In Germany, the very presence of neo-Nazis openly marching through a city bearing swastika-emblazoned flags, as in Charlottesville, is unthinkable. Unlike the United States, Germany places strict limits on speech and expression when it comes to right-wing extremism. It is illegal to produce, distribute or display symbols of the Nazi era — swastikas, the Hitler salute, along with many symbols that neo-Nazis have developed as proxies to get around the initial law. Holocaust denial is also illegal.
The law goes further. There is the legal concept of “Volksverhetzung,” the incitement to hatred: Anybody who denigrates an individual or a group based on their ethnicity or religion, or anybody who tries to rouse hatred or promotes violence against such a group or an individual, could face a sentence of up to five years in prison.
These laws apply to individuals, but they and others are also defenses against extremist political parties. The Constitutional Court, Germany’s highest court, can ban parties it deems intent on impairing or destroying the political order. In 2017 the court came close to banning the extremist right-wing National Democratic Party but determined the organization was too weak to outlaw.
This legal regime is backed by a political culture that effectively bans expression that might pass legal muster but still flirts with racist ideologies. The German right-wing-populist Alternative for Germany is a good example. Though its program and members do not openly embrace or reference Nazism, the party’s program dabbles in ideas that might be construed as racist, and as a result the party is a pariah to mainstream voters and politicians."
The law goes further. There is the legal concept of “Volksverhetzung,” the incitement to hatred: Anybody who denigrates an individual or a group based on their ethnicity or religion, or anybody who tries to rouse hatred or promotes violence against such a group or an individual, could face a sentence of up to five years in prison.
These laws apply to individuals, but they and others are also defenses against extremist political parties. The Constitutional Court, Germany’s highest court, can ban parties it deems intent on impairing or destroying the political order. In 2017 the court came close to banning the extremist right-wing National Democratic Party but determined the organization was too weak to outlaw.
This legal regime is backed by a political culture that effectively bans expression that might pass legal muster but still flirts with racist ideologies. The German right-wing-populist Alternative for Germany is a good example. Though its program and members do not openly embrace or reference Nazism, the party’s program dabbles in ideas that might be construed as racist, and as a result the party is a pariah to mainstream voters and politicians."
I don't see Germany as an oppressive regime like Russia or China... do you?
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Skeptic Ginger
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It's not about free speech.
The point of not naming the guy is to not give these scumbags attention for horrendous behavior.
And the video is grossly unfair to the family and loved ones of the victims. They have the right not to have that on display.
Skeptic Ginger
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Never mind.
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arthwollipot
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Anning did far worse to Eggboy than Eggboy did to Anning. And no, you're wrong. Anning hasn't a whelk's chance in a supernova of being re-elected. He's a nobody and nobody cares.
The Atheist
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In among all the concern about NZ laws being applied to a piece of filth, I need to ask if you're a New Zealander.
The reason I'm interested is because if you are, that would make the total opposed to it being 1. Tarrant's vote doesn't count.
We live in a democracy, and in NZ we even have going with the majority view enshrined in our law. In the case of Tarrant's video, the total vote on whether watching & distributing Tarrant's video is a disgustingly immoral act, or should be allowed, is currently about 4.5 million to 0, or 1 if you're a Kiwi.
Either way, I suggest finding something else to whine about, because nobody here wants to see anything less than prison sentences for people who would want to watch or share the video. Those dead bodies have live families and they don't want you, or anyone else, watching them be killed in cold blood by a loser, tiny-dicked Aussie bogan supremacist piece of dirt.
Skeptic Ginger
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Very few of the versions include the blood pouring out of his head like a faucet.
a_unique_person
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The main difference with this event is that it is played out like a FPS video game. When you watch this you ARE the shooter, not just an observer.
What ? You want me to read your mind. I have no idea what you're proposing but if 10 years in jail is an acceptable punishment for watching a video then have at 'er mate, knock yourself out.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist
Please. Those of us who don't want to watch the video also don't particularly want graphic descriptions of the video either.
I'm Canadian.
Yea, I get it, even your criminal gangs support this internet ban. It's understandable, your country is hurting and this is about the worst thing to happen in Aotearoa since 1841.
if you don't like my "whining" feel free to put me on ignore.
It's all in Facebook's hands.
I'll bet there's an awful lot of Kiwis crapping bricks right about now.
Seal your borders, don't let those nazis escape.
I'll bet there's an awful lot of Kiwis crapping bricks right about now.
Seal your borders, don't let those nazis escape.
smartcooky
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Jesus Christ!!! What is it going to take for people to stop posting misinformation? You need to do some research so that you can proceed from a position of actually knowing what you are talking about.
He's charged with DISTRIBUTING the video (among other things) !!
A New Zealand judge on Monday charged a teenager in relation to footage of a terror attack on two mosques in Christchurch which was broadcast live by the attacker on Facebook.
The 18-year-old was charged under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classifications Act of 1993 for distributing the footage of the shootings, which killed 50 people and left another 50 wounded.
He was also charged for posting miscellaneous material a week before the attack took place, including images of the mosque with the words "target identified" and messages inciting violence.
In a statement, New Zealand Police said "it is an offence to distribute or possess an objectionable publication".
The Christchurch court judge, who has put a gag order on the case, has accepted the request to keep his name anonymous but rejected the petition for bail.
The accused is expected to appear again before the court on Apr. 8.
The teenager was arrested "in the initial stages of the shooting investigation" on Friday, but police, who said he was not being charged in relation to the attack, said they "do not believe he was directly involved", according to a statement on Sunday night.
The 18-year-old was charged under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classifications Act of 1993 for distributing the footage of the shootings, which killed 50 people and left another 50 wounded.
He was also charged for posting miscellaneous material a week before the attack took place, including images of the mosque with the words "target identified" and messages inciting violence.
In a statement, New Zealand Police said "it is an offence to distribute or possess an objectionable publication".
The Christchurch court judge, who has put a gag order on the case, has accepted the request to keep his name anonymous but rejected the petition for bail.
The accused is expected to appear again before the court on Apr. 8.
The teenager was arrested "in the initial stages of the shooting investigation" on Friday, but police, who said he was not being charged in relation to the attack, said they "do not believe he was directly involved", according to a statement on Sunday night.
https://www.efe.com/efe/english/por...es-of-christchurch-shootings/50000260-3927705
I have zero sympathy for this person. I hope he's found guilty and they throw the book at him... a clear and loud message needs to be sent!!
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Yea, I know. We've been there already with this guy. Maybe if you're lucky he'll get the full 14 years and if Facebook coughs up the accounts that viewed this video you'll have a whole lot more people to charge.
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...this...is not good.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/poli...reats-in-10-years-of-gcsb-and-sis-public-docs
Entirely unsurprising considering what we have already discussed. We all knew this. But not good at all, and I suspect that we are going to be seeing a huge shake-up of our intelligence gathering agencies really ******* quick.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/poli...reats-in-10-years-of-gcsb-and-sis-public-docs
Entirely unsurprising considering what we have already discussed. We all knew this. But not good at all, and I suspect that we are going to be seeing a huge shake-up of our intelligence gathering agencies really ******* quick.
William Parcher
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LiveLeak was where I saw it first. It was in high definition. They removed it after less than 24 hours. I've never gone to any of those other sites. It can still be viewed on the web. That's probably going to be a permanent thing because by now it would be on many thousands of hard drives. It will keep appearing.
It's like the equivalent of child porn for New Zealand. But outside of that country it's just more slaughter gore to go along with many more videos which are even worse.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
I haven't watched it and never will. The stills in the news of the event are enough to work out what the killer intended to achieve. I agree it should be banned and I agree with why it should be banned.
I have also not seen the video shown on Australian TV which, while it did not contain any violence, also should not have been shown.
Another one down
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214672
We will need that new prison to deal with the aftermath.
"In court, Arps was handcuffed and dressed in blue T-shirt, track pants and socks. His arms were heavily tattooed.
He is the director of a company which is under scrutiny for having a Nazi sign as its logo - the same symbol featured in a manifesto by the alleged shooter.
The company, Beneficial Insulation, has a sun wheel as its company logo. It is a symbol employed in a post-Third Reich context by neo-Nazis and some occult subcultures."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214672
We will need that new prison to deal with the aftermath.
"In court, Arps was handcuffed and dressed in blue T-shirt, track pants and socks. His arms were heavily tattooed.
He is the director of a company which is under scrutiny for having a Nazi sign as its logo - the same symbol featured in a manifesto by the alleged shooter.
The company, Beneficial Insulation, has a sun wheel as its company logo. It is a symbol employed in a post-Third Reich context by neo-Nazis and some occult subcultures."
Skeptic Ginger
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Spoiler tags would work well for this purpose, thanks.