Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

SuburbanTurkey said:
As much as I'd like to assume I'd sprint for safety or rush the shooter, I think it's likely the surprise of getting shot at and being surrounded by the chaos of dead, dying, and wounded people would be absolutely paralyzing in the moment. Such misery is inconceivable.
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You could see some sprint for safety. He dropped them. He was accurate and also not concerned with saving bullets. He dropped guys that were running down the sidewalk already a block away.

Inside the mosque there was no cover for the people. The prayer rooms have no furniture or anything to hide behind or under. Just walls and carpet. People congregated in the corners and piled themselves on top of each other. He just walked up to the masses of people and shot everyone. No mercy whatsoever.

Your only hope was to pretend to be dead. But then he was shooting people who pretended to be dead or already were dead.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
As much as I'd like to assume I'd sprint for safety or rush the shooter, I think it's likely the surprise of getting shot at and being surrounded by the chaos of dead, dying, and wounded people would be absolutely paralyzing in the moment. Such misery is inconceivable.
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It depends on a combination of factors. If it happens too quickly you might not have time reflect, basically acting only on instinct and learned behaviour. If you can't see exactly what's happening because you're behind or inside of a crowd it's even more likely you will remain passive.
 
JoeMorgue said:
In the military you learn that the "natural" reaction to a sudden, unexpected loud noise isn't to either run or fully "hit the deck." What people do is this weird freeze and half duck motion. They freeze, lower their body maybe a foot at most, and look around.

Not that's a perfectly valid reflex for say avoiding a predator in the bush. Kind of counter productive against gunfire.
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And in the Army, the DI's try to "cure" you of that.
 
This video shows the arrest of the shooter.

New Zealand Herald said:
A motorist has captured the moment police officers, with weapons drawn, arrested a person following this afternoon's horrific massacres at two Christchurch mosques.

The video, uploaded to Facebook about 3.30pm, showed the two armed officers approaching a stationary car on Brougham St, a major dual carriageway which runs east-west through a residential area in the southern part of the city.

The vehicle, a grey station wagon, had been forced against the kerb of the residential road by a police car. It's front wheels were still spinning, just above the bitumen, as the incident unfolded.

One of the officers was shown reaching into the car, which had its boot and front passenger door open, and dragging a person out as the second officer kept their gun drawn.

As the person, clad in dark clothing, was dragged from the car one of the officers appeared to strike the person with their weapon.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213097
 
The world reaction to this incident is equivalent to the world reactions to the terror attacks committed in the last few years by Muslim extremists in Europe. Also, those perpetrators were in fact instantly identified as Muslim extremists as soon as the fact of their extremist affiliation became known. Anyone who contends otherwise is lying, and willfully spreading white supremacist apologism.
 
Is this where we get the accomplices? Suddenly he has getaway drivers?

But then when he is arrested at his car he has no getaway drivers? I'm confused.


New Zealand Herald said:
Mazharuddin said the shooter was wearing protective gear and firing wildly.

A man from inside the mosque then tried to tackle the gunman.

"The young guy who usually takes care of the mosque ... he saw an opportunity and pounced on [the gunman] and took his gun," Mazharuddin said.

"The hero tried to chase and he couldn't find the trigger in the gun ... he ran behind him but there were people waiting for him in the car and he fled."

Mazharuddin said friends around him had been shot in the chest and another in the head.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213205
 
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Checkmite said:
The world reaction to this incident is equivalent to the world reactions to the terror attacks committed in the last few years by Muslim extremists in Europe. Also, those perpetrators were in fact instantly identified as Muslim extremists as soon as the fact of their extremist affiliation became known. Anyone who contends otherwise is lying, and willfully spreading white supremacist apologism.
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Agreed.
And, I repeat, the real sad irony is that the NZ shootings have provided ISIS and other Islamic groups with the best recruiting tool they have had in a long time.
 
Checkmite said:
I originally saw this video on YouTube yesterday evening. The comments were filled primarily with praise for the shooter.
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I have greater respect for any online publication which does not allow any comments versus ones who do allow. Almost always it is rotten.
 
William Parcher said:
Is this where we get the accomplices? Suddenly he has getaway drivers?

But then when he is arrested at his car he has no getaway drivers? I'm confused.





https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213205
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It's always prudent to take witnesses testimony of a chaotic and frantic situation such as this with grains of salt. More so if they are second hand.

Even when there's one single shooter it seems that there is always someone saying it was more.
 
Arcade22 said:
It's always prudent to take witnesses testimony of a chaotic and frantic situation such as this with grains of salt. More so if they are second hand.

Even when there's one single shooter it seems that there is always someone saying it was more.
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Yes you are right. I've already read some eyewitness accounts at Al Noor with some errors. Only known to be wrong because there was front-row video happening.

I still maintain that there was one shooter, no on-the-scene accomplices and no bombs. Gasoline in small plastic cans would be the only explosives and maybe those were never removed from the station wagon.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I was reading the comments on a Fox News article covering the shooting and they are all either blaming the victims, or complaining about Islam or Globalism. They come just short of openly endorsing the slaughter. The mainstream right is increasingly becoming hard to distinguish from the radical right. The ideological base of the alt-right is quite large.
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'Quite' large? 62,984,828 voted for their leader, who is now the President of the US.

The alt-right is dangerous. Everyone should have already known that, but it's going to be impossible to deny it now.
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It's been impossible to deny it for some time, but still they do. This incident won't change anything.
 
William Parcher said:
Is this where we get the accomplices? Suddenly he has getaway drivers?
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At least those details will become clear in the next few days.

dudalb said:
And, I repeat, the real sad irony is that the NZ shootings have provided ISIS and other Islamic groups with the best recruiting tool they have had in a long time.
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100% correct.

Arcade22 said:
It's always prudent to take witnesses testimony of a chaotic and frantic situation such as this with grains of salt. More so if they are second hand.

Even when there's one single shooter it seems that there is always someone saying it was more.
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The list of misinformation during those couple of hours yesterday include, but definitely aren't limited to:

Multiple shooters
Multiple automatic weapons
IEDs (to date, cans of petrol)
Shots at Christchurch Hospital
Shots in Christchurch CBD

People were scared out of their brains and I bet every car that backfired yesterday afternoon in the entire country was called in as a shot being fired.

The ironic thing is, when it comes to immigration, Kiwis aren't immune to anti-immigration rhetoric, but it's always aimed at Chinese. Muslims are virtually off the radar.

Until yesterday.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
'Quite' large? 62,984,828 voted for their leader, who is now the President of the US.

It's been impossible to deny it for some time, but still they do. This incident won't change anything.
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It's the nature of the two party system that people vote for imperfect candidates. It is possible for people to underestimate the severity of their preferred candidates flaws, but come to fully appreciate them later. I am hoping that many who voted for Trump and/or other right wing candidates are coming to regret their decision. Shocking events like this shooting, or the Charlottesville Nazi rally in the US, make people really appreciate the reality of certain ideologies. Perhaps many are reconsidering what exactly they support.

I am not ready to accept that ~50% of the nation is straight up white supremacist and happy to see violence done to foreign strangers. If that isn't the case, we are well and truly screwed here in the US.
 
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As he leaves Al Noor he puts music on his car stereo. Loud music. Then as he is pulling away he sees somebody on the sidewalk. He slows and grabs the pump-action shotgun. He aims through the windshield and shoots. Pumps and shoots through holes in the glass several times. Then shoots through the passenger window as it shatters and falls out.

The song playing through all of this is Fire by Arthur Brown. Again like some sort of spree killer video game or a movie.

Here is the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE
 
I see that PewDiePie fans have taken to social media to explain to us all in no uncertain terms that the real victim of the Christchurch mosque shootings was PewDiePie.
 
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