Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

A couple of terrorism experts pointed out the sad irony of this situation: The killer has just given groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda the biggest favor they have gotten in years.
 
BStrong said:
In California, it's so the concept of good gun/bad gun can be reinforced.

Elsewhere, I believe it's an attempt to wrap one's head around a fact in an incident that can't be explained or rationalized by logical thinking.
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I can only speak for myself but I'm interested in how he actually managed to shoot so many people. I'm no gun nut but I'm fairly knowlagable. These kind of incidents are interesting both in how they are motivated and executed.
 
Just woke up to this disgusting news.

Another sick day in a sick world. Right-wing terrorism strikes again... and all the sick ***** cheering on the slaughter of innocents all across the internet.

Ugh.



My heart goes out to all New Zealanders. The ripple effect of this horrific incident is going to impact your lives for a very long time.

:(
 
Carnivore said:
41 dead at one mosque, only 7 at the other. Apparently the shooter fled when one of the intended victims at the Linwood mosque managed to snatch the shooter's gun. Well done that man. It's sobering to think this atrocity was almost even worse.
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I don't think he wanted to end it all alive. Having his gun wrenched away probably changed his ability to choose death for himself. That's my opinion. He was going to go out shooting like so many others have before him. Either shot dead or suicide.
 
Arcade22 said:
I can only speak for myself but I'm interested in how he actually managed to shoot so many people. I'm no gun nut but I'm fairly knowlagable. These kind of incidents are interesting both in how they are motivated and executed.
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He had an AR 15;don[t know if he modified it to full auto.
But even on Semi Auto you can get off a awful lot of shots with a couple of 30 round magazins....as anybody who served in the US Military for the last 50 years can tell you.
 
uke2se said:
Thank you. I'll just accept that I can't understand the need for the discussion.

To me, it's like discussing why the gunman chose NIKEs over ADIDAS shoes. Doesn't seem relevant when 49 people are dead.
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I agree.

At one point in my LE career I had to address a news conference involving a multiple homicide.

I was asked if an assault weapon was used. When I replied that the murder weapon was a conventional 9mm semi-auto handgun, faces dropped in the reporter pool.
 
Arcade22 said:
I can only speak for myself but I'm interested in how he actually managed to shoot so many people. I'm no gun nut but I'm fairly knowlagable. These kind of incidents are interesting both in how they are motivated and executed.
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Unarmed, untrained and unprepared groups of victims usually freeze in place.
 
Arcade22 said:
I can only speak for myself but I'm interested in how he actually managed to shoot so many people. I'm no gun nut but I'm fairly knowlagable. These kind of incidents are interesting both in how they are motivated and executed.
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Target selection and planning make a big impact on total deaths. This guy was very well prepared and picked a location where large numbers of people were known to be gathered in cramped quarters. The manifesto, 8chan memed murder weapons, and live stream all carefully orchestrated to sow maximum terror. There would have been more if not for the hero that ran him off the second mosque.
 
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dudalb said:
He had an AR 15;don[t know if he modified it to full auto.
But even on Semi Auto you can get off a awful lot of shots with a couple of 30 round magazins....as anybody who served in the US Military for the last 50 years can tell you.
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There was no full auto shooting in the video. It was rapid semi-auto if he wanted that. Other times the shots were slower.

He used many 30 round magazines. Many. There seemed to be no desire or effort to conserve bullets. He carried many magazines. If he ran out or low he simply went back outside to his car to get more. He did this multiple times without any hurry.

The people inside that mosque were lambs at slaughter. So horrible.
 
dudalb said:
He had an AR 15;don[t know if he modified it to full auto.
But even on Semi Auto you can get off a awful lot of shots with a couple of 30 round magazins....as anybody who served in the US Military for the last 50 years can tell you.
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US Army Infantry here. 2/327th.

It's fairly easy to get off 30 rounds in under 20 seconds if you're not aiming.
 
philkensebben said:
Just read on wiki it was 19, but yeah, ridiculous. I dont understand how that works. If you can bothered, can you explain to me how he became a Senator on the back of 19 votes? Perhaps on the Australian politics thread so as not to derail this.

Anyway, absolutely terrible thing to happen in Christchurch. Very sorry for my NZ brothers and sisters.
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While he got very few personal votes his party got enough votes above the line to get 2 senators from Queensland, and after the moron Roberts was disqualified for being a dual (or was it tri?) citizen, it passed down to number 3, which was him. He has since proven to be too racist even for Pauline Hanson and Bob Katter and has left both of their parties to found his own, which will get approximately 0 votes at the next election. Come may he'll be unemployed, thankfully. Hopefully he never gets a public megaphone again.
 
Bouncing Bettys said:
Even armed, trained, prepared soldiers can freeze up. Combat experience is an asset in armed conflicts. People really don't know how they are going to react until they are in the thick of it.
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As much as I'd like to assume I'd sprint for safety or rush the shooter, I think it's likely the surprise of getting shot at and being surrounded by the chaos of dead, dying, and wounded people would be absolutely paralyzing in the moment. Such misery is inconceivable.
 
Damien Evans said:
While he got very few personal votes his party got enough votes above the line to get 2 senators from Queensland, and after the moron Roberts was disqualified for being a dual (or was it tri?) citizen, it passed down to number 3, which was him. He has since proven to be too racist even for Pauline Hanson and Bob Katter and has left both of their parties to found his own, which will get approximately 0 votes at the next election. Come may he'll be unemployed, thankfully. Hopefully he never gets a public megaphone again.
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Which is why I prefer voting for the individual candidate rather then a party ticket.
 
Bouncing Bettys said:
Even armed, trained, prepared soldiers can freeze up. Combat experience is an asset in armed conflicts. People really don't know how they are going to react until they are in the thick of it.
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Too true.

One of the "lessons learned" passed along to me back in the day:

Green trooper "Top, check out those fireflys!"

1st Sgt. "Fireflys my ass, those are ******* tracers!"
 
In the military you learn that the "natural" reaction to a sudden, unexpected loud noise isn't to either run or fully "hit the deck." What people do is this weird freeze and half duck motion. They freeze, lower their body maybe a foot at most, and look around.

Not that's a perfectly valid reflex for say avoiding a predator in the bush. Kind of counter productive against gunfire.
 
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