Mueller Investigation pt5

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
If he's done nothing wrong, then Mueller isn't his opponent.
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It's a pretty rubbish defence: "My idol is so unstable and erratic, he often sees imaginary enemies and attacks them so you can't say that his attacks on law enforcement are indicative of anything


*converting many into real opponents, which just shows how right he was"
 
jimbob said:
It's a pretty rubbish defence: "My idol is so unstable and erratic, he often sees imaginary enemies and attacks them so you can't say that his attacks on law enforcement are indicative of anything


*converting many into real opponents, which just shows how right he was"
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What part of my description of Trump makes it seem like I idolize him? What part of my description of Trump is even flattering?
 
Belz... said:
Why are you calling him Mandatory? Is that a joke, or an autocorrect thing?
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Ma Gaul dang phone... Shoulda re-read before going off to the land of nod. And this one is spelled as intended, in case the gentle 'cussing' is unfamiliar.
 
phiwum said:
Oh, please. He said the 2016 election was rigged, until it wasn't -- or at least not sufficiently (just enough to lose the popular vote). He said the unemployment figures were a fiction, but now they're not. And so on.

In fact, I think it's very difficult to take him seriously at all.
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But... he didn't even lose the popular vote, according to him. That was all massive voter fraud by illegals. :rolleyes:

CapelDodger said:
Trump's ego is invulnerable. How anyone can still not realise that escapes me.
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He likes to project it to be so. His actual reactions point far more to it being very fragile and the coping strategy for that being to go on the offensive.
 
I read the wiki article on Steven Hatfill and I don't see the relevance. Can you walk me thru the similarities between Hatfill and Trump/Mueller?
 
Scootch said:
I read the wiki article on Steven Hatfill and I don't see the relevance. Can you walk me thru the similarities between Hatfill and Trump/Mueller?
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Hatfill was innocent, but he was still persecuted. Mueller was in charge of the FBI at the time, that was a very high profile case, and one which Mueller claimed was handled correctly.
 
CapelDodger said:
What convinces you that Mueller is Trump's opponent? Or that he's not simply acting in good faith as a law-enforcement officer?
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Whether I'm convinced of those things is irrelevant. What matters is what Trump thinks of Mueller.

And Mueller may have honestly thought that Hatfill was guilty, but that's not much consolation for Hatfill.
 
CapelDodger said:
What matters is that you - not Trump - called Squeegee Beckenheim naive for not believing that Mueller is Trump's opponent. I'm asking you - not Trump - to justify that.
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No. I called him naive for thinking that Trump's innocence is the only thing that matters in figuring that out.
 
acbytesla said:
This all got me to thinking (I know, why start now?) of a hypothetical.

If Trump pardoned Manafort tomorrow, would NY arrest and incarcerate Manafort denying him bail because he had been convicted of witness tampering? And would they send him to Rikers to await trial?
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That might be what's keeping Trump from pardoning Manafort, the risk of being moved to a worse jail. I would imagine that's in the lawyer to lawyer discussions.

Either that or Trump will pass out all the pardons after the 2020 election.
 
Aridas said:
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**** you, Graham. Those "controversies" that are equivalent to the "controversy" being pushed by cdesign proponentsists in both honesty and purpose deserve no more time on the public stage.
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He sounds like he's been infected with the Nunes virus. :boggled:
 
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Ziggurat said:
It's an argument from incredulity. You don't know why Trump would attack Mueller if Mueller didn't have dirt on Trump. But that could be nothing more than a failure of your imagination.
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Care to tell us what other reason we might imagine?

I think Trump's embarrassment about his billionaire facade is likely but that also includes money laundering and bank fraud charges.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Indeed. I can think of many reasons why Trump would attack the probe, even if he had no collusion with Russia. Just a few off the top of my head:

1) unrelated criminality will be uncovered by law enforcement scrutiny (see all his guys ending up in jail for non-russia related reasons)
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Kind of a wash if this is different.

2) the spectre of an long-running investigation is a nuisance for him, even if it will eventually show nothing.
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Trump doesn't have the intelligence to imagine something like that.

3) paper thin ego. We already know that Trump is very sensitive about his marginal victory, such as in his attacks on the fact he lost the raw popular vote, or his poorly attended inauguration. Any implications that he didn't win on his own merits is an insult to his paper thin ego.
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But that would indicate conspiring with Russia.
 
I say take the Graham deal. A special counsel either gets people convicted for it or they don't. Either is a fine outcome.
 
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