Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Not really, you see I have explained the math in detail previously:

totalitarian + atheism = anti-religious human rights violations. by the way, do not think that the true believer anti-religionists don't routinely bring up the inquisition, regularly as part of their pogroms.

Again, while I find the whataboutism as fascinating as y'all probably do, right here in this thread we are talking about Xi, unyielding marxist atheists and real ongoing human rights violations.

Anything about that, TBD asked expectantly knowing the answer already

So Atheistic beliefs don't necessarily lead to genocide etc. Thanks for the admission. Now you can stop tarring all Atheists with that brush.

And if we are talking about Chinese Human Rights violations involving religious freedom why are you accusing people here of admiring criminal sadists like Stalin and Mao. Oh and I find the idea that the current Chinese regime is "unyielding Marxist atheists" to be hilarious. They aren't very Marxist for one thing. They are mainly interested in staying in power and have largely and in my opinion close to entirely Marxism. And of course you forget, conveniently, that not every sect, religion etc., is in fact persecuted in China. It persecutes those regarded has threats to the rule of the party. Those that are not regarded has threats are generally tolerated. If you want really ruthless religious persecution across the board you have to go to Stalin's Russia and Mao's China among many. Or lets say Catholic Italy during the Reformation period.

And of course one can easily argue and show that given history an Totalitarian regime with a religious ideology would equal brutal oppression and certainly religious persecution of those not of the "correct" faith.

And as per usual you missed the point. I said it was crap that to say Christianity inevitably leads to the inquisition. However if you add authoritarianism to the mix you will all too likely get an inquisition.

I do hope you know what a pogrom actually is.

It is you who derailed this discussion by smearing Atheists in general has potential Religious persecutors.
 
So Atheistic beliefs don't necessarily lead to genocide etc. Thanks for the admission. Now you can stop tarring all Atheists with that brush..

So.... oh baby that is the good stuff.

You see I did not say that, now did I? Actually I believe that giving atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses.

By the way? You are repeating arguments I destroyed months ago.

I am afraid I am going to have to insist you read the thread first! You are in for a world of learning!
 
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So Atheistic beliefs don't necessarily lead to genocide etc. Thanks for the admission. Now you can stop tarring all Atheists with that brush..

So.... oh baby that is the good stuff.

You see I did not say that, now did I? Actually I believe that giving atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses.

By the way? You are repeating arguments I destroyed months ago.

I am afraid I am going to have to insist you read the thread first! You are in for a world of learning!

Yawn. God your pathetic. So you do think that Atheistic beliefs lead to genocide etc. You do realize that the etc., includes all sorts of human rights abuses. And you have no trouble tarring Atheists in general it seems. So I guess you did say that didn't you.

I have read this thread and no you didn't destroy any arguments and learning from someone like you who is so obviously un-knowing of so much is not likely to happen.

So you believe that giving Atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses? Is this all the time true of all Atheists? So once again your tarring. Really? A certain Australian Prime Minister among many will disagree with you.

Since all you have is agit-prop and trolling, why don't you at least join Amnesty International and write letters, like I have, on behalf of Uigher victims of religious persecution in China. It's certainly better than just trolling people on the web.
 
Yawn. God your pathetic. So you do think that Atheistic beliefs lead to genocide etc. You do realize that the etc., includes all sorts of human rights abuses. And you have no trouble tarring Atheists in general it seems. So I guess you did say that didn't you.

I have read this thread and no you didn't destroy any arguments and learning from someone like you who is so obviously un-knowing of so much is not likely to happen.

So you believe that giving Atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses? Is this all the time true of all Atheists? So once again your tarring. Really? A certain Australian Prime Minister among many will disagree with you.

Since all you have is agit-prop and trolling, why don't you at least join Amnesty International and write letters, like I have, on behalf of Uigher victims of religious persecution in China. It's certainly better than just trolling people on the web.

Your pathetic what? Oh I get it. English, huh?

I did chuckle at thinking that someone thinks that the Australian prime minister has “power.”

I though you read the thread? If so, you would know what I have done to fight these atheist monsters.

By the way, my comments about atheists are not trolling, I dislike and pity anti-religion atheists
 
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No, it was because of Stalin and Mao and Pol pot and atheism.

And it is continuing with Xi and atheism.

Excuse me but Truman did not order the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo because he was a Christian. Nor did Suharno kill half a million communists because he was a Muslim. Churchill did not order the bombing of Dresden because he was an alcoholic.

Your claim that the crimes committed by an atheist are because of his atheism is a caricature of comic book. If so, Christianity would be the religion of paedophiles.

A religious crime exists only if it is done in the name of religion and the extermination of the kulaks and Pol Pot's crimes were not done in the name of atheism, but of socialism. Of course I don't think socialism is monstrous either.

As you have been told twenty times and you start over again and again I suppose you are waging a propaganda war or playing provoke. Both things sound pretty ****** in this forum.
 
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Are you quoting Chinese government propaganda as if it was true?

How convenient. :rolleyes:

Can you walk us through the process by which you determine which statements by the Chinese government are true, and which are false? Because right now, it looks like you make this decision solely based on whether it suits whatever agrument you happen to be making at the time.

One more time: please walk us through the process by which you arrived at these contradictory positions.

Because? You missed the part where you explain why it's more than 'because I say so', or 'because it's convenient for my arguments'.

Because the claim that it was was made up out of whole cloth by you, not me, and the proponents of that claim have fully failed to support it let alone prove it, while i have directly quoted the entire statement and shown it to be a warning and a threat.

Just think the progress we could make if one were to apply the same standards to one's fellow travelers or one's own positions. It is your claim yet it is entirely based on 'because Cosmic yak says so', or 'because it's convenient for cosmic yak's arguments.

Gotta tell you, when you were typing that out, did you feel the creeping unease of full scale irony and hypocrisy?

Yet more dishonest bilge. To no-one's great surprise.

Fourth time if asking: in what circumstances do you accept official Chinese government statements as true, and in others as false? Simply quoting a statment again does not show why you believe it to be true, and not only have you presented no evidence showing it is true, it has been soundly and emphatically contradicted by evidence from numerous other posters.
(But you knew that already).

I am happy to justify any statement I have made. If you find any apparent contradictions in my arguments, do please point them out and we can talk about them.

How are you getting on with furnishing quotes of mine in which I support the Chinese government, by the way? Did you think I had forgotten your lie, liar?
 
Your pathetic what? Oh I get it. English, huh?

I did chuckle at thinking that someone thinks that the Australian prime minister has “power.”

I though you read the thread? If so, you would know what I have done to fight these atheist monsters.

By the way, my comments about atheists are not trolling, I dislike and pity anti-religion atheists

Funny. I "pity" delusional theists. AND "dislike" their attempts to impose their ridiculous fantasies on the rest of us.
 
And they don't care about your opinions not one bit. They have a nation to run as they see fit, with or without your input.

Your drivel only matters to you and whoever "we" is that is also doing absolutely nothing to change things for the Chinese people.

All arrogance and hot air. Boring.
 
Excuse me but Stalin, Mao and Xi DID commit atrocities in the name of atheism. I have expertly covered this in this thread.

UNYIELDING.
MARXIST.
ATHEISTS.

deal with it

It is no wonder that you are such a big supporter of Trump, since you so often manage to sound exactly like him.
 
Yet more dishonest bilge. To no-one's great surprise.

I have explained why YOUR CLAIM that it was propaganda was false, and I have shown that several times. Your attempt to shift the burden to me is so transparent it is laughable. Further, I have explained my position, and the fact that you do not understand it or choose to ignore it is your problem, not mine.

By the way, every single time you ignore the facts, like Xi's latest crackdown on religion is driven by the CCP and its adherents DIRECTIVE to be firm marxist atheists, you defend the Chines government.

Looking forward to you typing something like "for the 5th time" because it was false and silly the first time you bailed on proving your claim.
 
Excuse me but Stalin, Mao and Xi DID commit atrocities in the name of atheism. I have expertly covered this in this thread.

UNYIELDING.
MARXIST.
ATHEISTS.

deal with it

I'm sorry, but that's not true. Their programmes were carried out in the name of the Soviet and Chinese states. They never totally banned belief in gods, but rather the public forms in which that belief was manifested, especially to the "rebellious" or "terrorist" churches. They repressed them in the same way as they attacked any other kind of dissent. As it has been repeatedly told to you, Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches. That is not applying an atheistic program, but a dictatorial one.

As far as Marxists, they were as Marxists as they were democrats and lovers of the people. Yet they claimed to be all of that. As you know, dictatorships in Eastern Europe were called democratic, popular and socialist. And they were none of these things. What happens is that your head is full of ultra-conservative slogans and you don't even know what's in front of you. I think that the fanaticism is not a good tool to use against dictatorships. You should reflect on this.

Following this example, I have serious doubts as to whether many countries that call themselves democracies really are. These countries commit crimes against people's rights. However I don't go around shouting that democracy is a monster.
 
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As it has been repeatedly told to you, Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches. That is not applying an atheistic program, but a dictatorial one.

This is totally and completely false from beginning to end, I mean how could you have typed the words "controlled churches" in the same sentence with "Chinese government has no problem with"? It is mind boggling.

Further I explained in detail in this thread that the Chinese restrictions regarding religious use of the internet applies to all churches.

The apologetics on behalf of the Chinese Government are mind blowing.
 
This is totally and completely false from beginning to end, I mean how could you have typed the words "controlled churches" in the same sentence with "Chinese government has no problem with"? It is mind boggling.

Further I explained in detail in this thread that the Chinese restrictions regarding religious use of the internet applies to all churches.

The apologetics on behalf of the Chinese Government are mind blowing.

In previous comments it was already given the list of "sinized" churches that are even advertised on the internet. Don't be ignorant, man. Teh boss of your church signed an agreement about it. How come you don't know? Your pastor's cheating on you, pibe.
 
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In previous comments it was already given the list of "sinized" churches that are even advertised on the internet. Don't be ignorant, man.

That did not contradict what I said, why did you write those words?

Oh well, this makes about as much sense as "Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches," I mean that is some next level cognitive dissonance right there folks.
 
That did not contradict what I said, why did you write those words?

Oh well, this makes about as much sense as "Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches," I mean that is some next level cognitive dissonance right there folks.

You mean you don't understand English? Don't you know what "controlled" means?

Ask your boss, who doesn't seem to have a problem with that. It seems that the covenant was something like, "I accept the conditions and I can keep telling my Chinese stories about Jesus Christ and little angels". A skillful guy, your boss. And you without knowing it.

By the way, one of your previous bosses (a certain Pacelli) did something similar with the Nazis , who were also terrible atheists, but who shared a common interest: to create good Nazi-Christian soldiers against Communism. And they worked very well, with the help of God and the Führer!
 
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You mean you don't understand English? Don't you know what "controlled" means?

Yes, you see if they had "no problem" with the Churches, they would not need to control them, you get it?

By the way, I snipped your silly whataboutism that you post in lieu of responding to the fact that the internet restrictions apply to all churches in China.

By the way, lots of Churches have been forced by despotic atheists to cut deals throughout the 20th century. You see atheists with guns and power have a tendency to murder religious people. Like your papa Xi.
 
Yes, you see if they had "no problem" with the Churches, they would not need to control them, you get it?

By the way, I snipped your silly whataboutism that you post in lieu of responding to the fact that the internet restrictions apply to all churches in China.

By the way, lots of Churches have been forced by despotic atheists to cut deals throughout the 20th century. You see atheists with guns and power have a tendency to murder religious people. Like your papa Xi.

Vulgar.
 
You see theists with power have a tendency to molest and abuse children.

Perhaps the Chinese are only protecting their most vulnerable from the predation of evil vile child raping Christians.
 

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