Mueller Investigation pt5

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Norman Alexander said:
Disingenuous. Legal advice is the US president cannot be indicted while in office. So the moment Trump is no longer Prez, the handcuffs will snap on. Hopefully on the dias just after the next president is sworn in.
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He can be impeached though. Do the Democrats get to ask Mueller for all of his evidence.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Disingenuous. Legal advice is the US president cannot be indicted while in office. So the moment Trump is no longer Prez, the handcuffs will snap on. Hopefully on the dias just after the next president is sworn in.
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If he's re-elected, Trump can wait out the statute of limitations for certain crimes. This has fueled speculation about sealed indictments.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Disingenuous. Legal advice is the US president cannot be indicted while in office. So the moment Trump is no longer Prez, the handcuffs will snap on. Hopefully on the dias just after the next president is sworn in.
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There really is nowhere in the Constitution that says POTUS can't be indicted. Still, it seems whenever this is explored DOJ which of course is run by the executive beanch coincidentally concludes he cannot be indicted.

As the church lady use to say "How convenient".
 
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acbytesla said:
There really is nowhere in the Constitution that says POTUS can't be indicted. Still, it seems whenever this is explored DOJ which of course us run by the executive beanch coincidentally concludes he cannot be indicted.

As the church lady use to say "How convenient".
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Sounds like something the Founding fathers never actually envisaged would be necessary to deal with. :rolleyes:
 
acbytesla said:
There really is nowhere in the Constitution that says POTUS can't be indicted. Still, it seems whenever this is explored DOJ which of course is run by the executive beanch coincidentally concludes he cannot be indicted.

As the church lady use to say "How convenient".
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Of course, this only applies to Federal crimes. State AGs have no such restriction - POTUS is fair game, which is why the brewing case with the NY Department of Financial Services' investigations are going to be veeeeeryy interesting!
 
varwoche said:
Some people think so.
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a_unique_person said:
It's legal opinions all the way down.
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AIUI, the reason for statutes of limitations is threefold;

#1. A plaintiff with valid cause should pursue it with reasonable diligence (the right to a speedy trial)

#2. By the time a historical claim is put, a defendant might no longer be in possession of the evidence he needs to defend the claim.

#3. It is considered to be more cruel than fair for a defendant to have to defend a long forgotten claim.

Well for a start, #1 is out. If the plaintiff is prevented from pursuing the claim against the President by the President's own Justice Department, then that is the fault of the Defendant, not the plaintiff .

#2 is out too. In this case, unlike a defendant who might think they the potential defendant knows he is under investigation. Loss of evidence would be his own fault.

Finally #3 is out because the claim is not forgotten, its pending.

IMO (not a legal one) if the President is indicted under seal, and he is TOLD (exclusively) he has been indicted under seal, he does not suffer any of the disadvantages that the statute of limitations is designed to mitigate. If he wants a speedy trial, its up to him.
 
smartcooky said:
Well for a start, #1 is out. If the plaintiff is prevented from pursuing the claim against the President by the President's own Justice Department, then that is the fault of the Defendant, not the plaintiff .

#2 is out too. In this case, unlike a defendant who might think they the potential defendant knows he is under investigation. Loss of evidence would be his own fault.

Finally #3 is out because the claim is not forgotten, its pending.

IMO (not a legal one) if the President is indicted under seal, and he is TOLD (exclusively) he has been indicted under seal, he does not suffer any of the disadvantages that the statute of limitations is designed to mitigate. If he wants a speedy trial, its up to him.
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That seems well reasoned.
 
smartcooky said:
Someone doesn't understand the difference between criminals and communists!
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Or possibly he forgot the subject of this thread is the Mueller investigation as opposed to another congressional investigation that was done over 65 years ago.
 
smartcooky said:
Of course, this only applies to Federal crimes. State AGs have no such restriction - POTUS is fair game, which is why the brewing case with the NY Department of Financial Services' investigations are going to be veeeeeryy interesting!
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Yep. Looks as if we can add felony insurance fraud and felony bank fraud to Trump's many crimes. The documents Cohen provided shows Trump inflated his assets. One of the documents Cohen provided shows this clearly.

One property was an estate purchased in 1997 for 7.5 million dollars. It was assessed twice in the following twenty years, the latest valuation was for under 20 million dollars. Forbes last year estimated the property to be worth 24 million dollars. Yet this document which Cohen says was given to Insurance brokers and Deutsche Bank shows the property to be worth 291 million dollars.
 
acbytesla said:
Yep. Looks as if we can add felony insurance fraud and felony bank fraud to Trump's many crimes. The documents Cohen provided shows Trump inflated his assets. One of the documents Cohen provided shows this clearly.

One property was an estate purchased in 1997 for 7.5 million dollars. It was assessed twice in the following twenty years, the latest valuation was for under 20 million dollars. Forbes last year estimated the property to be worth 24 million dollars. Yet this document which Cohen says was given to Insurance brokers and Deutsche Bank shows the property to be worth 291 million dollars.
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One can almost hear Trump screaming "Fake News!" concerning these details.

By the way, I do hope that 'The Big Dog' is paying attention to this type of information since he seriously doubted that the Cohen testimony would have any real negative impact on Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
Yep. Looks as if we can add felony insurance fraud and felony bank fraud to Trump's many crimes. The documents Cohen provided shows Trump inflated his assets. One of the documents Cohen provided shows this clearly.

One property was an estate purchased in 1997 for 7.5 million dollars. It was assessed twice in the following twenty years, the latest valuation was for under 20 million dollars. Forbes last year estimated the property to be worth 24 million dollars. Yet this document which Cohen says was given to Insurance brokers and Deutsche Bank shows the property to be worth 291 million dollars.
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He also pocketed some of 17 million for damages to Mar a Lago after a hurricane. But nobody can remember any real damages.
 
Crossbow said:
One can almost hear Trump screaming "Fake News!" concerning these details.

By the way, I do hope that 'The Big Dog' is paying attention to this type of information since he seriously doubted that the Cohen testimony would have any real negative impact on Trump.
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BTW, those are both Federal and State crimes and New York State has subpoenaed the Insurance companies and Deutsche Bank.

Also interesting about Cohen's testimony. He reportedly brought his previously written false testimony he gave to Congress that was edited by Trump lawyers including Jay Sekulow. This implicates Trump in suborning perjury.
 
acbytesla said:
BTW, those are both Federal and State crimes and New York State has subpoenaed the Insurance companies and Deutsche Bank.

Also interesting about Cohen's testimony. He reportedly brought his previously written false testimony he gave to Congress that was edited by Trump lawyers including Jay Sekulow. This implicates Trump in suborning perjury.
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Meh, process crimes
 
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