theprestige
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Quit the game is probably the actual solution.
Trans Women are not Women
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Quit the game is probably the actual solution.
NewtonTrino
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Maybe you give up your right to play in mens or womens leagues when you massively mess with your body? I mean that's already the case if you do it with drugs that enhance performance. If there was some kind of "robot muscle" you could have implanted would they allow that in weight lifting?
Ultimately the categories of sport competition are already arbitrary and meant to try and make it fair. Letting people who were born men play as women doesn't seem fair, at least in a lot of cases.
Ultimately the categories of sport competition are already arbitrary and meant to try and make it fair. Letting people who were born men play as women doesn't seem fair, at least in a lot of cases.
Ziggurat
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It doesn't require implants, but certain powerlifting federations allow the use of specialized elastic clothing which provides mechanical assistance to the lifter. Permissible equipment is often specified exactly (as in a list of specific brand and models is approved, nothing else is) in order to keep things fair between competitors.
https://barbend.com/raw-vs-equipped-powerlifting/
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There are sacrifices all the time, everyone has to make when they make decisions, and while I am perfectly aware that there is already pressures on people who chose to transgender that are large, frankly tough tits (pardon the pun), just add if you do it, you can't play elite womens sport.
Belz...
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Problem is, by some definitions, they are women, so excluding them created some issues.
Course, the issue could be those definitions.
That's the paradox that no one is addressing.
"You don't count / you belong to a third category" isn't going to work when literally trying to gain... errr access (not the exact word, but close) to an established group is THE ENTIRE POINT.
If trans-women were happy being women some of the time or happy being a new third category or sub-category we WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
There's women/men doing it, we want to be involved in that in the way we define ourselves isn't a side issue, it's the issue.
"You don't count / you belong to a third category" isn't going to work when literally trying to gain... errr access (not the exact word, but close) to an established group is THE ENTIRE POINT.
If trans-women were happy being women some of the time or happy being a new third category or sub-category we WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
There's women/men doing it, we want to be involved in that in the way we define ourselves isn't a side issue, it's the issue.
And to those who think they are women, they just need to comprehend they are performanced enhanced women, just like any other hormone influenced female athlete
luchog
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That is not, actually, universal. In point of fact, quite a number of us are perfectly happy to be a "third gender". Of course, most of us also have no interest whatsoever in competitive sports, particularly on a professional level.
Belz...
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Not sure it'd have the numbers for healthy competitions, mind you.
luchog
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Which is something I really don't give a rat's about, personally. But I don't see why skill classes can't be used, the way that they already are for some sports.
Belz...
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Nor I, but obviously a number of people care. Smaller categories make it harder to get some really good crop.
As stated numerous times before, because women would consistently rank lower than men. The entire reason why they have their own categories is to avoid that.
Ziggurat
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Would you let the Male 39-40 Year Old Veteran Atheist Who Drives a Dodge and has a Chihuahua named Gimlet compete? Could he rename his dog, or would the dog's prior name still give him an unfair competitive advantage?
A better comparison would be would you let a male 39-40 Year Old Veteran Atheist Who Drives a Dodge and has a Mastiff/Rottweiler cross that now self identifies as a Chihuahua named Martini compete.
The Atheist
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Sounds great. I'll make sure I bring my emotional support flamethrower when I go along to watch.
luchog
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That doesn't follow. Rank lower in what? The entire point of having skill categories is to have separate rankings. That's why boxing has a welterweight champion alongside a heavyweight champion. Does that mean a welterweight champion is ranked lower than a heavyweight champion, and the category should therefore be avoided?
Rank lower in performance, I would imagine
Boxing is not a very good comparison as the weight classes are just as much about safety
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luchog
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So are many other weight and skill classes. Although I have a very hard time believing that given the prevalence of traumatic brain injury in the sport.
But there are plenty of others which are about skill. Minor/Major League Baseball, for example.
But I guess it doesn't do much good for male egos to have to compete with women, or worse yet tranny perverts, who might actually be better than they are.
theprestige
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Pound for pound, men outperform women in feats of strength. Co-ed weight classes in boxing would see men dominate boxing in every single weight class, followed by transwomen. Women would be effectively shut out out of the upper and middle levels of professional boxing.
Not that there's much interest in women's professional boxing, I think. But at least there women are testing themselves against other people with the same average strength to weight ratio.
theprestige
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Given a male pitcher and a female pitcher of equal skill, the male will on average dominate, because of his greater strength. His fastball will be faster than hers. He'll have greater stamina, which means he'll be able to pitch more innings, which a huge part of the strategic economy of baseball. And as the game goes on, his greater stamina means that as fatigue starts to set in, his pitches will still have more control than hers.
A female pitcher would need to develop above-average skills, just to compete with average male pitchers. And this is true across the board, in any contest where strength or stamina plays a part.
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