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Patriots Owner Robert Kraft Arrested in Prostitution Sting

Another article questioning why there are no trafficking charges.

What Was Really Going On At Orchids Of Asia?

Deadspin said:
...Kraft’s massage parlor escapades were splayed across websites next to headlines trumpeting that the massage parlor he visited had been busted as part of a sex trafficking ring. But among sex-worker advocates another narrative was proffered: The sting wasn’t in fact about human trafficking at all, it was targeting consensual sex workers.

The debate centers on the argument that rates of human trafficking are wildly exaggerated, and that anti-sex-trafficking stings are in fact moralistic anti-sex-work stings. Such operations often end with police finding few or no victims and arresting consensual sex workers instead. Although sex trafficking does exist, it is not nearly as common or as large a problem as law enforcement and the media make it out to be. So which version of the events in Florida is the true story? It’s pretty tough to tell.

I started with two questions whose answers were surprisingly hard to find: How many people have been charged with human trafficking in the recent Florida stings that caught Kraft? And how many victims of human trafficking do police claim to have found?...
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https://deadspin.com/what-was-really-going-on-at-orchids-of-asia-1832896112
 
William Parcher said:
Carlitos, yes, trafficking for sure.
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I said this because I saw reported charges for trafficking. Now we learn that there really aren't any charges for that. Maybe the charges were dropped or maybe they never existed in the first place.

Early on I said that this weird operation doesn't make any sense. Particularly because you are supposed to immediately rescue abused victims of sex trafficking, rather than to use them as john bait for months.

So, now I have no confidence that anyone was trafficked here.
 
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This article says that one is charged with trafficking. She got that charge because she drove some women who had suitcases.

How Vero Beach police landed the only human trafficking charge in recent Florida busts

TC Palm said:
Only one person has been charged with human trafficking in connection with prostitution in Florida massage parlors, despite multiple agencies linking the 10 spas shut down this month to Chinese sex trafficking.

Her name is Lanyun Ma, and she's a 49-year-old Orlando woman who ran East Spa in downtown Vero Beach.

"It's very difficult to charge somebody with that," acknowledged Detective Sgt. Phil Huddy, who supervises the detective division at the Vero Beach Police Department.

Ma was seen transporting numerous women with suitcases to and from the spa who are believed to be victims of human trafficking, according to her arrest warrant.

Some stayed for a couple days, others for weeks.

It's hard to know how many total victims there were at East Spa, police said. One was placed in a shelter and is cooperating with investigators; several are incarcerated and a handful were never identified...
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https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/c...ficking-florida-spa-investigation/2983335002/
 
A page ago you were making hay because "nobody had been charged with trafficking" in this case. Now somebody has, but you're belittling the significance of such a charge. Nobody being charged is significant but somebody being charged isn't really that important?

The detective in the article you quote explains it very simply:

"It's very difficult to charge somebody with that," acknowledged Detective Sgt. Phil Huddy, who supervises the detective division at the Vero Beach Police Department.
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It's a hard charge to prove, so the state goes for easier-to-prove charges in most cases instead. This happens all the time across the country.
 
It's not certain that this woman has been charged for trafficking. We have conflicting articles.

Articles say that an examination of affidavits and warrants show no such charge for anyone.
 
Elagabalus....Yes, soliciting and then receiving acts of prostitution, on two consecutive days.
 
The District Attorney is saying that there are no trafficking charges...

Reason said:
At a press conference (partially aired on CNN) today, Palm Beach District Attorney Dave Aronberg spent most of his time talking about the theoretical horrors that could occur in situations like this. "Modern day slavery," as Aronberg called it, "can happen anywhere, including in the peaceful community of Jupiter."

However, no human trafficking charges were filed among the hundreds of (current and coming) prostitution charges, he admitted, adding that first-time offenders (like Robert Kraft) are "very unlikely to get any significant" time behind bars.
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JoeMorgue said:
In (a very tiny) amount of defense he could just be one of the rich people who has literally no idea how the world works and honestly thought getting dropped off in a 225,000 dollar car by a chauffeur at a strip mall wouldn't be seen as weird.
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How often does a man like that suffer the consequenses of his bad or unwise actions? After half a lifetime or more of that, I suspect that risk assesment becomes a little wonky.
 
3point14 said:
How often does a man like that suffer the consequenses of his bad or unwise actions? After half a lifetime or more of that, I suspect that risk assesment becomes a little wonky.
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And, as pointed out, most Kraft can be charged with legally is a misdemeanor.
The real punishment is that he has taken a huge blow to his image and his pride. And, yeah, to somebody like Kraft that is going to hurt.
 
William Parcher said:
This article says that one is charged with trafficking. She got that charge because she drove some women who had suitcases.

How Vero Beach police landed the only human trafficking charge in recent Florida busts




https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/c...ficking-florida-spa-investigation/2983335002/
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I noticed that law enforcement sources cited in the article you linked claimed "repressed memories" as one reason that the "victims" didn't report that they were trafficked.

Yeah, right.
 
Checkmite said:
A page ago you were making hay because "nobody had been charged with trafficking" in this case. Now somebody has, but you're belittling the significance of such a charge. Nobody being charged is significant but somebody being charged isn't really that important?

The detective in the article you quote explains it very simply:



It's a hard charge to prove, so the state goes for easier-to-prove charges in most cases instead. This happens all the time across the country.
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OK, but if that's all true after all and it really was a sex trafficking ring and the prostitutes were slaves who were there against their will, then I would like to return to an earlier point I made, which is this:

If we take the sheriff at his word and accept everything he said in this interview as the gospel truth, then it means that he was so hell-bent on catching as many "johns" as possible that he allowed these women to remain captive for month after month after month, being raped 8 or more times per day, without intervening. What kind of monster would stand by and allow something like that to happen to another human being?
 
Puppycow said:
OK, but if that's all true after all and it really was a sex trafficking ring and the prostitutes were slaves who were there against their will, then I would like to return to an earlier point I made, which is this:

If we take the sheriff at his word and accept everything he said in this interview as the gospel truth, then it means that he was so hell-bent on catching as many "johns" as possible that he allowed these women to remain captive for month after month after month, being raped 8 or more times per day, without intervening. What kind of monster would stand by and allow something like that to happen to another human being?
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After reading all of the above, my preliminary conclusion is that:

- this was trafficking, or at least some kind of fraud / coercion on these women, and
- this sheriff is an anti-prostitution zealot, who put his personal objectives over the welfare of these women by leaving them in this situation so that he could bust some rich and powerful men.
 
Darth Rotor said:
He might even be able to stand for election if he did that. I wonder the same thing.
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Because where is the “dirtiness” in that? I’m convinced that the danger, seediness, etc is an essential part of the attraction for guys like this. Doesn’t Kraft have a much younger girlfriend? Checking this: Yes, he does and she’s pretty! We can wonder why he would even need the services of a “massage parlor.” And the answer is because he likes it raunchy.


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