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Berning down the house!

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...but seriously given the choice between moving my assets proactively into a middling (non targeted) bank of my own choosing or trusting the breakup system to play out in my favor, the choice seems pretty damn obvious.
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Monetary "assets" are mostly digital now. It's almost definitely literally impossible for a bank to run out of "money".

eta: during the "secret" bailouts, the federal reserve gave the banks $16 TRILLION, just by typing some numbers into a computer.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
Do you really misunderestimate the venality of the Great Right Wing Noise Machine? Donnie and Vlad could be discussing whether a guy can get a reach around and they'll ignore it.

Obama states he'll meet with North Korea. Treason!
Clinton Foundation too cozy with the same governments Flynn and Don Jr. are now selling the country out to? Lock Her Up!

They don't give a rat's p'toot about the moral justification of their rants; they're just looking for sound bytes that crowds can repeat at rallies. My guess would be "Comrade Sanders! Comrade Sanders! Comrade Sanders!"
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Dude, I know, I know.

The Dems need to form an anti-fake-news force that goes down to the R's level and relentlessly carpet bombs social media. Don't let them come up for air! Suffocate the life outta' them!!
 
Segnosaur said:
I'm not a "progressive USAian" (I'm Canadian, and in the last election I voted for our conservative party. But, were I in the states I probably would have voted for Obama and Clinton.) So, I can't speak for them, but I do have a few reasons why a 'progressive' might not want Sanders.

First of all, last time I checked, there was no master checklist that says "all Progressives must believe these points". Each progressive politician and voter will have their own set of ideas, and there is no guarantee that that the 'progressive' politician's ideas will perfectly align with that of the voter. So you're progressive and like Sander's health care plan... but you may disagree with his trade policies.

Secondly, win-ability. Yes, there were polls showing Sanders would win in a general election, but as I have pointed out before, those polls were done before Sanders was really subject to any sort of attacks. A 'rational' voter should look at the alternatives and ask what they should prefer: select a moderate left-of-center voter that has the best chance at winning (in which case you get some of what you want, but not all) or select a far left candidate that you might think better matches your preferences, and see your candidate go down to certain defeat.

And just out of curiosity, what exactly was "non-progressive" about Clinton? Yes, she (for example) accepted money for giving speeches at various corporations. But she also 1) wanted to increase banking regulations, 2) would have protected gay rights, 3) wanted to improve health care, 4) as a senator, tried to pass bills to strengthen unions, 5) supported minimum wage increases and increased paid family leave. Does that make her a "progressive"? Where is the dividing line between progressive and simply left-of-center?
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What exactly was "non-progressive" about Clinton? You mean besides the fact that she was a centre-right corporatist more interested in defending the status quo and her filthy-rich backers rather than the interests of USAian workers?

Come on man, there is nothing even remotely "progressive" about the establishment US Dems. They are bought and paid for, just like the Repubs.
 
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Dump the old guy.

Trump is pseudo-living proof that a candidate need not have any experience, or vision, or much of anything except a "resonant" message. And maybe some help from Russia and Wikileaks.

Find some young, good looking guy (or gal) with a good line of **** and an open mind, get him or her elected, then surround him or her with a cabinet full of old hands.

Yeah, I know. You already tried that with Obama. And it worked. He kept the likes of Trump out of the Oval Office for 8 critical years while the economy recovered.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I have nothing I can back this up with objectively,
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You can stop right there. Without objective data you have nothing.

but my gut is telling...
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My cat says you are wrong.

Logical Fallacy #135:
Trust your Gut (also, Trust your Heart; Trust Your Feelings; Trust your Intuition; Trust your Instincts; Emotional Reasoning): A corrupt argument from pathos, the ancient fallacy of relying primarily on "gut feelings" rather than reason or evidence to make decisions.
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My reaction to his running is basically *sour face*


For three years I've had Bernie Bros attacking me on facebook and Twitter calling me "genocide supporter" and "murderer" because I voted Hillary in the general election and not Stein. You see, it goes like this, anyone not Bernie is a centralist, establishment or "globalist" and they are all in favor of genocide and war for profit or something. All I know is that they find out I voted Hillary and I get invective thrown at me until I block them.


I'm just through with it. His supporters online are little more than bullies that refuse to actually talk policy and go straight to screaming "murderer" if you are not immediately all in on Bernie and disagree at all that he was robbed of his rightful nomination and dear god help you if they find out you voted for Hillary and not Stein.



As such I look over the Democratic candidates and I vow to vote for whoever wins the nomination except Bernie. If he wins I'm just going to go seal myself in a cave somewhere and wait for death. His supporters are just too toxic and mean for me to ever be able to support or vote for him.
 
Travis said:
My reaction to his running is basically *sour face*


For three years I've had Bernie Bros attacking me on facebook and Twitter calling me "genocide supporter" and "murderer" because I voted Hillary in the general election and not Stein. You see, it goes like this, anyone not Bernie is a centralist, establishment or "globalist" and they are all in favor of genocide and war for profit or something. All I know is that they find out I voted Hillary and I get invective thrown at me until I block them.


I'm just through with it. His supporters online are little more than bullies that refuse to actually talk policy and go straight to screaming "murderer" if you are not immediately all in on Bernie and disagree at all that he was robbed of his rightful nomination and dear god help you if they find out you voted for Hillary and not Stein.



As such I look over the Democratic candidates and I vow to vote for whoever wins the nomination except Bernie. If he wins I'm just going to go seal myself in a cave somewhere and wait for death. His supporters are just too toxic and mean for me to ever be able to support or vote for him.
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As a Sanders supporter I've endured ************ from people on my own side as well, for so much as asking these fanatics how so and so is a "shill" without being paid and that people can disagree with you without being a corporate sellout necessarily.

But I suggest you look past the "Bernie Bros" on Facebook and Twitter. I can play the same game with centre-left neoliberals and establishment Democrats when I defend Republicans from smears I regard as unfair or just plain inaccurate. Nitpicking isn't a crime but I'm marked down 30-40 times on liberal hubs in Reddit for saying X mass shooter isn't necessarily a terrorist.

Sanders is nothing like the Bros you encounter online. In fact many of them were so upset with him for making the pragmatic decision of voting for Clinton in the general in 2016 that they nearly abandoned him.
 
Travis said:
My reaction to his running is basically *sour face*


For three years I've had Bernie Bros attacking me on facebook and Twitter calling me "genocide supporter" and "murderer" because I voted Hillary in the general election and not Stein. You see, it goes like this, anyone not Bernie is a centralist, establishment or "globalist" and they are all in favor of genocide and war for profit or something. All I know is that they find out I voted Hillary and I get invective thrown at me until I block them.
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I'm not highly impressed with Bernie. Still, I'd support him in a heartbeat in a general election versus Trump. You're threatening to punch beat your nose into a bloody pulp until it falls off to spite your face.

More to the point though... It's not fair to blame a candidate for dumb things their followers say. And given your notable proclivity to leap to hyperbolic conclusions based on what anonymous bozos post on social media, you would be well advised to take a deep breath and not paint yourself into an idiotic corner.

I'm just through with it. His supporters online are little more than bullies that refuse to actually talk policy and go straight to screaming "murderer" if you are not immediately all in on Bernie and disagree at all that he was robbed of his rightful nomination and dear god help you if they find out you voted for Hillary and not Stein.
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Just realize that one of the biggest risks in 2020 is that dim-witted lefties, unable to grasp the existential threat that Trump poses, adopt the same sort of attitude about purity as you put on display here.

As such I look over the Democratic candidates and I vow to vote for whoever wins the nomination except Bernie. If he wins I'm just going to go seal myself in a cave somewhere and wait for death. His supporters are just too toxic and mean for me to ever be able to support or vote for him.
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About that hyperbole... You're boldly crossing the threshold into self-parody here.
 
portlandatheist said:
Check out Andrew Yang's Policy Page:
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

Where are Bernie's policies? Where are your candidates policies?
US Senator Cory Booker (New Jersey): No policy positions at all on website.

South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg (Indiana): No policy positions at all on website.

Former US Housing Secretary Julian Castro (Texas): No policy positions at all on website.

Former Congressman John Delaney (Maryland): Some policy positions here: https://www.johndelaney.com/issues/
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Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii): No policy positions at all on website.

US Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (New York): No policy positions at all on website.

US Senator Kamala Harris (California): No policy positions at all on website.

Governor Jay Inslee (Washington): Priorities statement here, https://www.jayinslee.com/meet/priorities

US Senator Amy Klobuchar (Minnesota): No policy positions at all on website.

US Senator Bernie Sanders (Vermont): No policy positions at all on website.

US Senator Elizabeth Warren (Massachusetts): Policy positions here: https://elizabethwarren.com/issues/

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These people spend months, if not years, testing and polling and putting together exploratory committees etc etc etc. They make their announcements with big press conferences and slickly produced videos and a already scheduled press tours...yet they over look having actual policies to publish?

I mean, I presume they have a list of policies. They must have some plan for if they go all the way. Something to sell us on other than talk show appearances. You wouldn't think that their website, where all of their campaign information is available, would have them prominently displayed.
 
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There is good reason to stay vague on your policies at this point.
No one seemed to care that Clinton had a full plan on many issues, and Trump didn't even have a picture of a napkin with scribbles on.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There is good reason to stay vague on your policies at this point.
No one seemed to care that Clinton had a full plan on many issues, and Trump didn't even have a picture of a napkin with scribbles on.
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Can we all agree that "better than Donald Trump" is not a high enough bar?
 
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