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Berning down the house!

Donal said:
Great, so we don't need to take them into account
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How did you get this straw man out of what I posted?

Donal said:
Of course not. My point is don't let their rhetoric drive the conversation. Fearing the mean things the Republicans will say is not a good strategy for choosing a candidate.

Or move beyond a strategy that not only fails, actually helps cause long term damage.
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And you think I do that? :rolleyes:
 
dudalb said:
ANd he is 77 years old. Sorry, but his age and health have got to be a big consideration when you consider just how much pressure the job of POTUS is. He might be in good health for a man 77 years old,but sorry, IMHO that is just too old for the presidency. I would say there would be good chance he would not finish his first term.
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I do remember age and health being a taboo subject in early 2015.

I think you're right, especially given to the way the job ages a person. I just think you'll have a hard time selling Baby Boomers on that.
 
Maybe I'm too idealistic, too naive, or something worse.

But I just welcome all candidates and plan to vote for the one that I feel would make the best president.

I don't get gatekeeping of candidates and I don't get strategic voting*

*voting based on who you think has the best chance to win instead of who you like best
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
How did you get this straw man out of what I posted?
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By the words you used in the context you used them. You were the one who said Bernie is not a good candidate because the Republicans will scream about socialism.

The GOP, regardless of Trump running or not, have already started their fear mongering campaign: Socialism equates to Maduro and Venezuela.

The American public already thinks socialism is the liberal goal, no capitalism allowed. And once again the Democrats are failing to counter the lie.
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And you think I do that? :rolleyes:
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Ya. Why else would I have said that?
 
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dudalb said:
And that some of our most hard core GOP supporters seem to support Bernie getting the nomination should tell you something.
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It should tell you, first of all, that they're not actually hard core GOP supporters. For some reason it doesn't, though. I think this has been a fundamental flaw in your analysis all along.
 
theprestige said:
One reason to vote for Trump is to continue the experiment: Will you ever get tired of reminding people who already know that you don't like Trump, that you don't like Trump?
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Do I ever get tired of reminding people who already know that I love chocolate, that I love chocolate?

That's a silly question. The people most likely to bump the Hillary Is Done thread are people who hate her. People talk about stuff they care about. News at 11.
 
Donal said:
By the words you used in the context you used them. You were the one who said Bernie is not a good candidate because the Republicans will scream about socialism.
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All you've done is is repeat your misconception about what I said. Doesn't move the discussion forward.

Perhaps if I had said you posted a false dichotomy you might understand.


Donal said:
Ya. Why else would I have said that?
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Did you miss the eye-roll which said very clearly, I do not think that?
 
Imhotep said:
Maybe I'm too idealistic, too naive, or something worse.

But I just welcome all candidates and plan to vote for the one that I feel would make the best president.

I don't get gatekeeping of candidates and I don't get strategic voting*

*voting based on who you think has the best chance to win instead of who you like best
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I think voting for who would make the best POTUS is the best strategy and hopefully that is also the person with the best chance of winning.

I think Sanders has too narrow of a platform to make a good POTUS.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Confession. I don't want old people in politics because I don't want people in office who's "future" can't go past the next 30-40 years.

I want people who are going to have to live with the consequences of the decision they make.
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I feel the same about old people voting, even as I get closer and closer to whatever arbitrary line one wants to set for "old".
 
dudalb said:
The problem with a lot of political ideologues,is that they spend most of their time with other ideolgues, and get a skewed vision of the world.
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Yes, this is exactly the problem with the "radical centrists".
 
Imhotep said:
Maybe I'm too idealistic, too naive, or something worse.

But I just welcome all candidates and plan to vote for the one that I feel would make the best president.

I don't get gatekeeping of candidates and I don't get strategic voting*

*voting based on who you think has the best chance to win instead of who you like best
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Yeah ... I kind of don't get this whole we have to appear more sane and more mature in our choice for a candidate. Trump is ******* POTUS! Everyone on the ******* planet is more sane and more mature than he is!
 
d4m10n said:
Speaking as a card-carrying radical moderate... :confused:
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Modern "centrism" really isn't moderate. The economic theory it follows is demonstrably flawed and designed to redistribute wealth upwards (and it's out of touch with the desires of a majority of the population), and the foreign policy aggressively pro-war and still favors sponsoring coups globally (Kissinger and his acolytes as still in charge of the FP.) Neoconservatism is "center" now.

Bush's Iraq war killed about 20k civilians. The US sponsored Syrian "civil war" (which would not have been a war at all without the US arming the rebels) has killed almost half a million. Libya is worse off than Iraq after the US-led NATO bombings. The there's Latin America.
 
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