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David Icke's Visa Cancelled

angrysoba said:
I thought you were in favour of it because conspiracy theories are used to radicalize.
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I am. Keep reading.


angrysoba said:
I think that's an even worse rationale, frankly. And again, I have to wonder if it is really even effective.
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It can certainly be debated. I fall on the side of "it's effective". Many of these grifters do it for the money. Certainly, many are true believers as well, but they would not do what they do, nor have the platform to do it, if they didn't also make loads of money. Speaking tours is an important source of income for many of these grifters. Denying them that income is a good way - IMO - to combat the effectiveness of the poison they sell.


angrysoba said:
Not really. If Icke was a member of a terrorist organization and was using his visit to Australia as an operation to further terrorist atrocities, then it would be a good comparison. Or if he was a member of an organized crime syndicate setting up his Australian branch of the franchise then it would be a good comparison. This is because terrorist organizations and organized crime syndicates are engaging in crimes. Someone spouting nonsense about how the Duke of Edinburgh and the Queen of England are reptiles is just telling the truth ... well... spouting nonsense.
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The preachers I talk about aren't members of terrorist organizations. They do however drive people to join terrorist organizations. Just like Icke and his ilk drive people to right wing terror.

Icke says considerably more things than the lizard crap.
 
uke2se said:
I am. Keep reading.




It can certainly be debated. I fall on the side of "it's effective". Many of these grifters do it for the money. Certainly, many are true believers as well, but they would not do what they do, nor have the platform to do it, if they didn't also make loads of money. Speaking tours is an important source of income for many of these grifters. Denying them that income is a good way - IMO - to combat the effectiveness of the poison they sell.




The preachers I talk about aren't members of terrorist organizations. They do however drive people to join terrorist organizations. Just like Icke and his ilk drive people to right wing terror.

Icke says considerably more things than the lizard crap.
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By "drive to behavior" do you mean these people have no choice? That Dave has found a method that takes a regular person and makes them a terrorist?
 
Icke would have been paid a hell of a lot better as a top sports presenter than he's paid now. He believes what he's saying 100%.
 
cullennz said:
Bloke sounds like a jerk, but just quickly googling he denies being a holocaust denier.

Which frankly is the only nasty one in the OP quote

In fact
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He's just an idiot, he's been a laughing stock in the UK ever since he was fired as a sports analyst and took up his new role as Chief Knobhead of the Conspiracy Plebs. If it's ridiculous, he probably believes it. It's refreshing to see a country like Australia saying nah, mate, bugger off, to these kinds of cretins. No doubt he'll take this as him being "stifled" by the reptilian overlords. :p
 
Elagabalus said:
Still should not be denied a platform. Let him speak and remove all doubts..
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Freedom of speech is great, but entertaining it across the board will only lead you to getting human excrement chucked at you by a naked, drunken GG Allin, as did happen many times when he was invited to "give a talk" at universities and colleges by well-meaning people who weren't really ready for his brand of rock and roll but wanted to give the bloke a chance, all the same.

Similarly, you can do Icke a solid and allow him his 15 minutes, but you'd only end up covered in his ****, just like you would with good ole GG. ;)
 
ponderingturtle said:
That is certainly what some people draw from it, though others think he really means space lizards. Trying to determine what he really thinks is likely a lost cause.
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And it could be that since the Jews want World Annihilation™ and the Alien lizard Men are desirous of same that the two parties decided to participate in a World Annihilation Conference™ to get a few ideas down on paper. Nothing formal, mind you, just wanted to hammer out a few protocols ...
 
smartcooky said:
It can also come across as censorship (even if you and I are smart enough to understand that its not) and his supporters will play that up as "so you are afraid to let him speak; what are you afraid of?"
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Sure, but that's also status quo; it's what Icke and his supporters say of all governments regardless.
 
angrysoba said:
I am not sure what valid and worthwhile message is being sent out in a national government refusing to allow in some nutbar conspiracy theorist who argues that his secret history of the world being suppressed by ... national governments. I mean his tagline to his talks may as well be, "Stuff the Powers That Be... don't want you to see!". The slam of the door is only satisfying to the tin-eared.
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It doesn't matter how he frames his message. Preemptively claiming suppression cannot be some magical inoculation from governmental scrutiny; in the US, Kevin Trudeau promoting his quackery literally as "cures THEY don't want you to know about" - "THEY" in this case explicitly meaning the government, in collaboration with the pharmaceutical industry - did not stop the FTC (the selfsame "THEY!") from forcing his mis-infomercials off the air and fining him repeatedly for bogus medical product claims, nor should it have.

With Icke, the message is: Your claims about Jews and the Holocaust are so repugnant and risible that the government of this land will not allow you to co-opt it as a stage for spreading them. Feel free to broadcast your message from elsewhere.

I don't feel that any government's commitment to protecting the free expression of its own citizens obligates them to allow foreigners with bad intentions to enter and take advantage of those protections.
 
Checkmite said:
I don't feel that any government's commitment to protecting the free expression of its own citizens obligates them to allow foreigners with bad intentions to enter and take advantage of those protections.
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LOL! Like Australia doesn't have the internet.

How many people would he have reached on his tour? 10K? 20K?

Any one of his videos gets over a million views, tens of millions in some cases.
 
Its all a careful balancing act.

On one side of the fulcrum, you don't want to allow these kinds of people open slather to spread their stupid to the public and to profit from it.

On the other side, you don't want to give these people any publicity that they would not otherwise get.

Its a ball-breaker.
 
baron said:
LOL! Like Australia doesn't have the internet.

How many people would he have reached on his tour? 10K? 20K?

Any one of his videos gets over a million views, tens of millions in some cases.
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I don't know about the popularity of that mainstream TV morning show he was on (video of which I posted earlier in #90), but I think it is save to guess that its audience is far larger than the number of Australians who ever heard of David Icke before. And he managed to bring across a good joke. So that's a huge self-goal for the censors - even people dull enough to watch that morning show might look him up on the internet and be exposed to that oh-so-dangerous information. Next the PTB will have to regulate that Australian broadcasters are not allowed to air anything by people who were banned by teh gubernmint. And down the slippery slope we go...
 
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By blocking his entry he becomes a blip on Australia’s cultural radar. A breakfast TV freak segment. David who?
 
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Childlike Empress said:
I don't know about the popularity of that mainstream TV morning show he was on (video of which I posted earlier in #90), but I think it is save to guess that its audience is far larger than the number of Australians who ever heard of David Icke before. And he managed to bring across a good joke. So that's a huge self-goal for the censors - even people dull enough to watch that morning show might look him up on the internet and be exposed to that oh-so-dangerous information. Next the PTB will have to regulate that Australian broadcasters are not allowed to air anything by people who were banned by teh gubernmint. And down the slippery slope we go...
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The thing about Icke is that he's a decent speaker and he's engaging and ostensibly down-to-earth. He's very good at getting people on side. I've noticed a lot of people who don't believe in all the lizard people and artificial Moon crap still follow him because they believe he's got hidden insight into the machinations of the elite and the powerful. To put it another way, he doesn't come across as a loony even thought he clearly is one.

So when he speaks to a few thousand die-hard followers on a tour he's pretty much preaching to the choir. But when something like this happens and he gets all the associated publicity, his fan base expands dramatically.
 
Icke is a self-promoting salesman. He's selling just one product: himself. His goal is simply to make as much money as he can. It doesn't matter what he believes, nor the consistency of this over time. He will make his belief system pliable enough as long as every sucker who has been born in all the recent minutes pay him something.

Really, it's all about money. A personal speaking tour generates him money plus an all-expenses paid holiday in the sun for a couple of weeks. A Skype speaking tour...not so much.
 
He is a cultural bower bird with diarrhea, presenting all kinds of shiny artifacts but strewn in a morass of ****.
 
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