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David Icke's Visa Cancelled

Childlike Empress said:
You could have stayed in Turkey as well - at least they have some culture.
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Old Dave does talk some crap though doesn’t he. Yeah we are being manipulated by corporations and politicians and largely live life passively and obliviously to this fact but then he is off into complete lala land of alien conspiracies and government mind control. I would rather read Foucault on such a subject to properly think through the power systems that control us than listen to some utterly nutty fear porn.

Incoherent blathering Holocaust deniers can **** off and nothing of value is lost.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
You could have stayed in Turkey as well - at least they have some culture.
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In Turkey, Icke would have been jailed promptly for promoting anti-Turkish and anti-Erdogan ideas. And we all know Turkish jails are akin to luxury Black Sea resort hotels. :rolleyes:

So he should count himself lucky that all Australia did was refuse his visa application.
 
psionl0 said:
Has anything in this thread persuaded you either way?
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Like I said, I can see good arguments on both sides.

sadhatter said:
I hate this "I refuse to look into the issue because I enjoy the outcome" attitude that is becoming more and more common.

Being stupid is okay being willfully ignorant is abhorrent.
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I appreciate that you hate that. Fortunately, this is nothing like what I have said.
 
theprestige said:
A number of Australian citizens bought tickets to his event. Are their preferences legitimate targets of government discrimination?
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The government isn't stopping them listening to, attending his lectures or reading his published work nor communicating with him.
 
Darat said:
The government isn't stopping them listening to, attending his lectures or reading his published work nor communicating with him.
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If that isn't their objective then why deny a visiting visa to somebody who's only "crime" is political incorrectness?
 
baron said:
LOL! Like Australia doesn't have the internet.

How many people would he have reached on his tour? 10K? 20K?

Any one of his videos gets over a million views, tens of millions in some cases.
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According to the venue/ticketing, he might have had an audience of some 6k.

They increased venue size to accomodate the increase in audience size of 4K the last time he was here. He’s apparently done ten previous tours (well visited anyway).

I reallly don’t think this guy was much of a threat to Australians, and it would seem that neither did governments prior to this one did either until lobby groups put pressure on it.

If he was preaching hate and dangerous ignorance like, say, David Irving, then perhaps I might lean towards a justification for refusing him entry, but he’s really not. He’s just a kook. The Pope preaches as much kookiness and ignorance and protects more criminals in his organisation than Icke, but the Australian government doesn’t seem to be bothered by institutionalised kookiness and criminalisation.
 
Looking forward to someone from ISIS booking a speaking tour in the US.

Then let's see what "free speach" is really worth.
 
The idea that you can protect people from bad ideas by banning speaking tours seems a little silly in the age of the internet.

Icke is no better or worse than the average guest on Coast to Coast AM, probably one of the most popular radio programs in the US. Is Icke really selling anything more objectionable than Von Danikan?
 
Brainster said:
The idea that you can protect people from bad ideas by banning speaking tours seems a little silly in the age of the internet.

Icke is no better or worse than the average guest on Coast to Coast AM, probably one of the most popular radio programs in the US. Is Icke really selling anything more objectionable than Von Danikan?
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Yes, veiled Jewish conspiracy and holocaust denial.

Jewish community leaders have praised the decision to ban controversial conspiracy theorist and alleged Holocaust denier David Icke from entering Australia ahead of his scheduled speaking tour.

The national tour was set to begin on March 1, but last month Jewish groups, including the Anti-Defamation Commission, began lobbying Minister for Immigration David Coleman to have his visa cancelled.​
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-swe...-groups-celebrate-holocaust-denier-s-visa-ban

I value our multicultural society and people spouting wacko conspiracies that single out members of the community don’t belong. We don’t just single out hate preaching imams.

If you actually believed some of his conspiracies about evil manipulators of our societies, what is the should one do? Simply live in fear? Take up arms?
 
Brainster said:
The idea that you can protect people from bad ideas by banning speaking tours seems a little silly in the age of the internet.

Icke is no better or worse than the average guest on Coast to Coast AM, probably one of the most popular radio programs in the US. Is Icke really selling anything more objectionable than Von Danikan?
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No, he's basically the victim of a smear campaign and you could argue that his accusers are the anti-Semites, not him. He maintains that the world is secretly controlled by an evil reptilian collective who have infiltrated human society on every level, from government to the British Royal Family to Hollywood. They even built the Moon. He really believes this.

What his critics have done, instead of taking his mad claims at face value, is say, "Look, he's postulating a controlling Illuminati and the Illuminati are the Jews so he must be an anti-Semite." Whether this is through ignorance of his claims or whether there is another agenda I don't know, but Icke is simply a crazy person, not a racist.
 
Brainster said:
The idea that you can protect people from bad ideas by banning speaking tours seems a little silly in the age of the internet.



Icke is no better or worse than the average guest on Coast to Coast AM, probably one of the most popular radio programs in the US. Is Icke really selling anything more objectionable than Von Danikan?
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His speaking tour wasn't banned. And he wasn't banned, just at this time the Australian government declined his request for a visa.

One would have thought that he would have arranged his working visa prior to charging people money to attend a show he didn't know if he could have attended or not. Hopefully he will be refunding folk their money.
 
Just to add, no I don't agree with the Australian government decision so don't expect me to defend it. I can understand their reasoning but I don't reach the same conclusion myself. He is not someone who is preaching for people to be killed and so on.
 
Darat said:
His speaking tour wasn't banned. And he wasn't banned, just at this time the Australian government declined his request for a visa.
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And the Australian government didn't say "Simon says" so even if he can't enter the country, his de-platforming isn't a ban. :rolleyes:

Darat said:
You'd need to ask the Australian government that.
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NOW you stop speaking for the Australian government?
 
Darat said:
The government isn't stopping them listening to, attending his lectures or reading his published work nor communicating with him.
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This.

If his message was banned in Australia, then his books and videos would be banned in Australia (they aren't) and access to his website could be blocked at node level and by Australian ISPs at the direction of the Australian Government (it isn't).

Icke has not been granted a visa on the basis that he is of poor character, and because in their estimation, he poses “a risk to the health, safety or good order of the Australian community or a segment of the Australian community”.

While I disagree with this decision, it is their country, and they are entitled to decide who does and who does not get to enter it.
 
psionl0 said:
And the Australian government didn't say "Simon says" so even if he can't enter the country, his de-platforming isn't a ban. :rolleyes:





NOW you stop speaking for the Australian government?
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Sorry for your confusion, but I'm not a spokesperson for the Australian government, no idea where you got that idea from.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Yes, veiled Jewish conspiracy and holocaust denial.
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You're just parroting what essentially is a blatant lie. baron in #130 is absolutely correct. Icke believes in a lot of far out stuff, but he isn't "a holocaust denier". Not even a bit. WW2 is just an episode in his millenia old story of the shape-shifting lizards controlled from other dimensions manipulating world events, and the Nazis were controlled by them as well and did all cruelties usually ascribed to them.

Forum member Jon Ronson actually did a documentary about him called "The Lizards and the Jews", which is now almost twenty years old and pretty much answers the question if Icke really believes that stuff or just chooses to use such a bizarre cover that makes him look like a kook to get away with sticking it to the joooos. Here, enjoy:

 
baron said:
No, he's basically the victim of a smear campaign and you could argue that his accusers are the anti-Semites, not him. He maintains that the world is secretly controlled by an evil reptilian collective who have infiltrated human society on every level, from government to the British Royal Family to Hollywood. They even built the Moon. He really believes this.

What his critics have done, instead of taking his mad claims at face value, is say, "Look, he's postulating a controlling Illuminati and the Illuminati are the Jews so he must be an anti-Semite." Whether this is through ignorance of his claims or whether there is another agenda I don't know, but Icke is simply a crazy person, not a racist.
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Nope. He is an anti-semite. He endorses the fake "Protocols" document and has made it clear that the illumaniti/reptilians are the jewish elite in his various ramblings. How can you rationalise this from his book ""why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."

That is a direct quote from his writings, so don't even attempt to hurl the "plausible deniability" card. it wont wash.


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