The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It's terrible, but it's not even the worst thing re Trump & Saudi Arabia, and it's not exactly unexpected. I'd say that the most disturbing thing so far was Jared Kushner giving the crown prince highly classified information about dissidents so that he could (and did) begin a purge.

Saudi Arabia is as important as Russia in the whole 2016 election scandal.
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Not sure if SA impacted the election (they could have) but one can safely bet Kushner and Trump were and are using their positions to get money from the Saudis, lots of it.

This is one way dictators get very rich.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Not sure if SA impacted the election (they could have) but one can safely bet Kushner and Trump were and are using their positions to get money from the Saudis, lots of it.
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Hell, yeah. And the hilarity lies in just how little it is. The Saudis invest in the Kushners when the Kushners are under the cosh.


This is one way dictators get very rich.
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It's also how mobsters get rich, and always keep in mind that the al-Sauds were desert bandits until US oil interests recruited them to remove and replace the British Empire's chosen royalty. That's just a few generations ago.
 
Belz... said:
Not sure I see your point.

Re Trump being rich, by the way, greed doesn't work that way. The greedy want to get richer by any means necessary, even if they don't actually need it.
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Trump is driven by instant gratification, even if only from his own tiny hands. He's spent his entire business career getting poorer, but thinks he's had one triumph after another. What they might have been is foggy, but he believes they happened.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I think “packing” or “stacking” the court usually refers to adding or subtracting the number of Justices on the court. Trump has not done that.

One would expect a Republican president to appoint conservative judges. Though one might be opposed to conservative judges, there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with it.
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I think what sticks in many people throats was the way the GOP Senate delayed Obama's last Supreme Court Nominee until after the election. Something like that has not happened since the 1860's, and was a huge violation of the norms of our Democracy.
 
dudalb said:
I think what sticks in many people throats was the way the GOP Senate delayed Obama's last Supreme Court Nominee until after the election. Something like that has not happened since the 1860's, and was a huge violation of the norms of our Democracy.
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The first of many. It was a proof of principle after Whitewater, the Tea Party, and birtherism that anything can be done that can't be physically prevented if all good faith is withdrawn. Which it has been by the Republican Party. It's just as well they'll all be dead soon.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

We have just built this powerful Wall in New Mexico. Completed on January 30, 2019 – 47 days ahead of schedule! Many miles more now under construction!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1098295228837048325
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What is this about? I've heard many media articles that no new wall has been under construction under Trump. Is he referring to a reconstruction of a fence or something?

Thanks.
 
BobTheCoward said:
FDR imprisoned people based on their ancestry and got extremely sympathetic and friendly with actual Klan members to pass the new deal.
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George Washington owned slaves. You can't cherry pick other eras and act like events apply decades later.
 
ponderingturtle said:
But remember you can't hold the presidents words against him, it isn't like any of that can be taken seriously, just like when he threatens or slanders people, no reasonable person could take that seriously either as the courts have found.
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Nearly 63 million people voted for him, clearly believing his lies and slanders. And most of those apparently still support him with no significant diminishment in their belief in what he says.

That's an awfully large chunk of the adult population of the U.S. for some judge to deem unreasonable.
 
quadraginta said:
Nearly 63 million people voted for him, clearly believing his lies and slanders. And most of those apparently still support him with no significant diminishment in their belief in what he says.

That's an awfully large chunk of the adult population of the U.S. for some judge to deem unreasonable.
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cheering for him to lie and slander isn't the same a believing him: just like you might want your divorce lawyer to sue your Ex for violating the Geneva Convention, Trump supporters want him to "stick it to (((people we don't like)))".
And that sticking won't be tough enough if he constraint himself with concepts of truth.
 
quadraginta said:
Nearly 63 million people voted for him, clearly believing his lies and slanders. And most of those apparently still support him with no significant diminishment in their belief in what he says.



That's an awfully large chunk of the adult population of the U.S. for some judge to deem unreasonable.
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No. For a lot of then it was just a big finger at the rest of America.
 
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