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National Emergency

mgidm86 said:
Problem is that we will be left right where we are currently - taking them into custody, which costs a lot of money. They eventually get released into the country and some will maybe go to their court hearing - two years later. The rest remain unaccounted for.
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So...what? Shoot them on sight and save a lot of expense? Why do you need a wall for that? Just make it open season on illegals with a year-round hunting license, and I'm sure all the gun-happies will be glad to contribute some time.

If sensors or patrols catch them that means they are already here.
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If they climb/fly/tunnel the wall they are already here.

Unless we start driving them back to the border and kicking them out on the spot (which is what we should do), keeping them from getting in at all is the desired result. If they can't cross the barrier then the only choices are to keep trying or turn back.
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You've hit the main point. Problem is, the wall is NO BARRIER. It's pretty much useless to accomplish this specific task. Tens of billions would be spent on a project that is not going to achieve its design purpose. The old term for this was a white elephant. There are Misappropriation Committees (Ways and Means?) that will have a field day excoriating anyone who pushed this on the US public.

If we start kicking them out instead then no, we don't need a wall. But if we continue this catch-and-release crap then ya I want a damn barrier because this is not working.
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Does your wall stop boats? Trains? Or airline passengers?

Crossing a barrier by other means will be more difficult and more expensive for the criminals, which makes it more expensive for anyone who wants to pay a Coyote to get them here. I doubt the cartels will clog their tunnels with people when they can make a lot more money sneaking in drugs.
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Their imagination is a lot bigger and better than yours. ;)

I'm open to any workable solution though. It seems like the folks in power, both sides, really don't want to slow the flow of illegal aliens. That's where the real problem is.
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That's right. Give me your huddled masses yearning to be free. We will throw them right back where they came from.

Idiot lawmakers in Cali are happy to give away drivers licenses, health care, voting rights (in SF). I see no sign of that changing, so if they won't do the right thing we need a asterisking wall.
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Repeating falsehoods doesn't help your case.

Again, if you want to avoid a wall then the people in charge need to start giving a crap. Sanctuary state? Uh no I don't think so - build the f'n wall.
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Have you invested in a concrete and steel firm specialising in barriers?
 
And things that would work, sensor networks, increased funding and training to border patrol, even some limited physical barriers in some areas are and have always been on the table. They just don't matter because "The Wall" is such a symbolic part of Trump's persona he can't budge on it.

There's countless compromise solutions that would actually improve security along our borders and other points on entry that would be readily accepted by all sides if one petulant man-child wasn't letting it represent his manhood.

When the CATO Institute and the ACLU are both against something, it's probably a bad idea.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And things that would work, sensor networks, increased funding and training to border patrol, even some limited physical barriers in some areas are and have always been on the table. They just don't matter because "The Wall" is such a symbolic part of Trump's persona he can't budge on it.

There's countless compromise solutions that would actually improve security along our borders and other points on entry that would be readily accepted by all sides if one petulant man-child wasn't letting it represent his manhood.

When the CATO Institute and the ACLU are both against something, it's probably a bad idea.
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Now those are two strange bedfellows.
 
What would work would be to have well-staffed embassies in origin countries and make it easy for those who qualify to get refugee status.
 
mgidm86 said:
Well then as long as people are buying drugs let's let them flow! Great point! Great thread!
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Why do you hate capitalism? As long as people are buying drugs there will be enraptures out there to supply them.
 
If Donny Q.* ever gets his hands on that big hunka money, count on two things:

1. The Great Wall will never be built.

2. Every cent of those billions will be stolen, peculated, and boondoggled away, some into Donny's own pockets, and much of it into the pockets of the guys who own him.

* For Quisling. What else?
 
mgidm86 said:
Crossing a barrier by other means will be more difficult and more expensive for the criminals, which makes it more expensive for anyone who wants to pay a Coyote to get them here. I doubt the cartels will clog their tunnels with people when they can make a lot more money sneaking in drugs.
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Which part of "the vast majority of drugs enter the United States through ports of entry" to you fail to understand.

mgidm86 said:
I'm open to any workable solution though. It seems like the folks in power, both sides, really don't want to slow the flow of illegal aliens. That's where the real problem is.
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Which part of "the vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States came in legally through ports of entry and are illegal because they overstayed their visas" do you fail to understand.
 
Darat said:
He must know he can't be trusted with women. Whilst that is great in terms of self awareness and protecting women from him I would have thought it be a character flaw that would have meant he was not suited for public office.
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Using the last few years as a baseline, I think we can safely conclude that there is no such thing as a character flaw that would have meant someone was not suited for public office.

As long as they are Republicans, of course.
 
smartcooky said:
Which part of "the vast majority of drugs enter the United States through ports of entry" to you fail to understand.



Which part of "the vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States came in legally through ports of entry and are illegal because they overstayed their visas" do you fail to understand.
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It isn't failure, it's refusal.
 
dudalb said:
Let's not get sidetracked.
The issue is not if the wall is a good idea or a bad one,but that,good or bad,Trump is choosing a reckless and dangerous end run around the Constituion to get it.
I would be equally opposed if a Democratic President tried this to get project that he liked and congress turned down funded.
Let's stick to the main issue, folks.
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This is very threatening for American democracy. Trump and his cult is expecting this to go to the SCOTUS where they expect that they'll rule in Trump's favor. I find it very possible that it could happen, since there are 2 appointed Trump loyalists on the SCOTUS bench and, of the other 3 conservatives, only Roberts has some semblance of a spine to stand up against his own party's authoritarian leanings.
 
https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1096908211343540225

Just in: Acting Sec of Defense Shanahan just told reporters he hasn’t determined if there is a military necessity for a border wall or how much money Defense will even spend. Shanahan said he hasn’t yet spoken to President Trump.
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1096934152249765888

That's right, it's one of those "national emergencies" where the country is being "invaded" but you as president haven't checked in with your Defense Secretary
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smartcooky said:
Which part of "the vast majority of drugs enter the United States through ports of entry" to you fail to understand.


Which part of "the vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States came in legally through ports of entry and are illegal because they overstayed their visas" do you fail to understand.
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I'm guessing the part where the above proves that Trump is a lying idiot?
 
Of course if there was a desire to actually stop illegal immigration maybe stop handing out exemptions from the e-verify system to states that use lots of seasonal migrant labour? But I guess that would be too hard.
 
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