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National Emergency

smartcooky said:
Second Point: Trump's vanity project would spend 90% of the border security budget in an attempt to fix less than 10% of the problem, meanwhile, the place where 90% of the problems are gets cuts and lacks resources.
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Let's not forget that Trump has already announced the Trump Wall as 100% effective, so once it's built there'll be no need for anything more. No going back to investigate and ameliorate actual problems and solutions because there will no longer be any problems. Trump has said so, and so it shall be.
 
CapelDodger said:
Let's not forget that Trump has already announced the Trump Wall as 100% effective, so once it's built there'll be no need for anything more. No going back to investigate and ameliorate actual problems and solutions because there will no longer be any problems. Trump has said so, and so it shall be.
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Maybe we should believe him. After all, he has already saved us from a second Great Depression and catastrophic war with NK.
 
chrispy said:
How about all of his critics being liars. All of the criticism of the border wall being lies. "Liars to the right of me, liars to the left of me..." :rolleyes:
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"Here I am, stuck in the middle with GRU."

Apathia said:
And taken together they spell "CANT." Sorry Donald, you can't have your Great Wall of Trump.
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Kind of a shame Utah isn't further south.

Upchurch said:
Relax. Think of it more like a drinking game.
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We're getting boofed all right...
 
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Trump ripped for plan to steal military funds for his wall by GOP Armed Forces Committee members


“Republican members of the Armed Services Committee and the Appropriations Committee are probably going to set themselves on fire over this,” former Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA), who chaired the House Military Construction-VA Appropriations Subcommittee, said on CNN, Politico notes. “This is just a slap in the face to Congress and their power of the purse.”
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Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee, called Trump’s move a ‘dangerous precedent’ and warned “securing our border should not be done at the expense of previously funded military construction projects,
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Turner and four other House Republicans — Richard Hudson of North Carolina, Tom Cole of Oklahoma, Chris Collins of New York and Doug Lamborn of Colorado — warned Trump against siphoning off military construction funds in a letter last week, citing “aging infrastructure challenges which undermine the readiness and lethality” of the military.
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/go...mbers-warn-trump-stealing-military-funds-wall
 
Analysis: weak rambling (though not as feeble minded as I had him)
A Weak and Rambling President Declares a Fake National Emergency

“It would have been great to have done it earlier. But I was a little new to the job, a little new to the profession. And we had a little disappointment for the first year and a half. People that should have stepped up did not step up. But we’re stepping up now.” Take that, Paul Ryan!

This official unveiling of the former House Speaker as Trump’s 2020 whipping boy didn’t come as a surprise. Neither did the declaration of a national emergency. Trump has been threatening to make this move for months, and Mitch McConnell, the Majority Leader in the Senate, had announced his intentions from the Senate floor on Thursday afternoon. Earlier on Thursday, according to a tick-tock by the Washington Post, Trump was still threatening to veto the bipartisan spending deal that allotted $1.375 billion...

....Trump dodged the question and called CNN “fake news.” The next questioner, Playboy’s Brian Karem, followed up Acosta’s question and asked Trump to say where he gets his figures. “I get my numbers from a lot of sources, like Homeland Security, primarily,” Trump replied. “And the numbers that I have from Homeland Security are a disaster.”

...used to be a saying: “Let Reagan be Reagan.” In the Trump Administration such a statement would be entirely redundant. The President lets it all hang out: the incoherence, the fabrications, the mendacity, the raging but delicate ego, the attention-deficit disorder, and, occasionally, the revealing shards of self-illumination. He can’t help himself.
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...-president-declares-a-fake-national-emergency
 
@DanRather tweeted: "The Constitution should not be considered a mere speed bump in the path of a reckless driver."
 
dudalb said:
I think they are not calling for assdination per se but armed resistence to a tyranny...you know,how this country got started?
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Assdination would be overkill. They'll have to settle for half assdination.
 
Segnosaur said:
Bit off topic, but I wonder how Pence's wife really feels about Pence meeting women in private.



I mean, its a really dump rule that he has. (Does he honestly think every woman he meets would be all over him, if only she could get him in a private meeting.) I just wonder if his wife agrees with the rule, or whether Pence is doing it on his own initiative and his wife doesn't care.
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He must know he can't be trusted with women. Whilst that is great in terms of self awareness and protecting women from him I would have thought it be a character flaw that would have meant he was not suited for public office.
 
Darat said:
He must know he can't be trusted with women. Whilst that is great in terms of self awareness and protecting women from him I would have thought it be a character flaw that would have meant he was not suited for public office.
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I'm thinking that, as a Fundamentalist Christian, he views women as immoral seductresses who can't control themselves. If he were to be left alone with such a vile temptress he would be powerless to resist... Best to just avoid temptation altogether...
 
Brainache said:
I'm thinking that, as a Fundamentalist Christian, he views women as immoral seductresses who can't control themselves. If he were to be left alone with such a vile temptress he would be powerless to resist... Best to just avoid temptation altogether...
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Un-chaperoned women are just asking for it.
 
smartcooky said:
Read this carefully

IT WON'T WORK

Walls by themselves DO NOT WORK. In order for walls to work, they must be heavily guarded and patrolled throughout their entire length, otherwise people will go around them (by swimming or boating) over them (by microlight) or under them (by tunnelling). There are numerous recorded incidences of all of the above. There are also recorded instances of drug smugglers using drones to get drugs over the border. They may even go through the wall (a power diamond concrete/steel cutter in a remote location). Therefore, rather than "freeing up resources" they will actually take more resources. The drugs will still get in through tunnels and through ports of entry and via the Gulf of Mexico in boats and drug submarines.

However, if you take that $5-8 billion Trump wants for his white elephant vanity project, you could build a gold-plated, state-of-the-art electronic frontier with, hidden sensors and observation posts covering every inch of the border, even in places where building a wall is physically impossible.

Do you know how I know this will work? Its because it already has, right there in the USA. There are two places protected by just such electronic frontiers - Area 51 and Dugway Proving grounds. In over 50 years, very few people, if any have ever been able to get into them, and those that have were caught almost immediately.

The addition of surveillance drones to a US Mexico electronic frontier would make it even more secure.
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Problem is that we will be left right where we are currently - taking them into custody, which costs a lot of money. They eventually get released into the country and some will maybe go to their court hearing - two years later. The rest remain unaccounted for.

If sensors or patrols catch them that means they are already here.

Unless we start driving them back to the border and kicking them out on the spot (which is what we should do), keeping them from getting in at all is the desired result. If they can't cross the barrier then the only choices are to keep trying or turn back.

If we start kicking them out instead then no, we don't need a wall. But if we continue this catch-and-release crap then ya I want a damn barrier because this is not working.

Crossing a barrier by other means will be more difficult and more expensive for the criminals, which makes it more expensive for anyone who wants to pay a Coyote to get them here. I doubt the cartels will clog their tunnels with people when they can make a lot more money sneaking in drugs.

I'm open to any workable solution though. It seems like the folks in power, both sides, really don't want to slow the flow of illegal aliens. That's where the real problem is.

Idiot lawmakers in Cali are happy to give away drivers licenses, health care, voting rights (in SF). I see no sign of that changing, so if they won't do the right thing we need a asterisking wall.

Again, if you want to avoid a wall then the people in charge need to start giving a crap. Sanctuary state? Uh no I don't think so - build the f'n wall.
 
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I think somebody just does not like having to live with people with brown skins....

Not aimed at You, trebuchet....
 
Apathia said:
I live in southern Arizona. They're already here. They were here before 1912 when the territory became a state. And they were here before the USA wrested the land from Spain. It was their home already.
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Which has nothing to do with anything. And you're wrong.
 
Let's not get sidetracked.
The issue is not if the wall is a good idea or a bad one,but that,good or bad,Trump is choosing a reckless and dangerous end run around the Constituion to get it.
I would be equally opposed if a Democratic President tried this to get project that he liked and congress turned down funded.
Let's stick to the main issue, folks.
 
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